I can try to shorten it as best as I can. All the explanations I've seen are incredibly long.
T-ara started off with 6 members
They were successful very early on with their hit single Bo Peep Bo Peep being released a few months after debut. It was a HUGE hit
The next year, a new maknae was added to the group. Her name was Hwayoung and she became the main rapper. Objectively, she wasn't needed, since T-ara had good rappers already in the group but Hwayoung was still really talented.
This shouldn't have been a problem. But it was.
The main issue with T-ara was the fact that their CEO was crazy and abusive to the girls. He yelled at them, he overworked them severely and forced certain members to starve themselves before comebacks. He also forced members to work through their injuries and used toxic mediaplay both for and against his own artists. There are also allegations of managers been abusive but I'm not to sure on that.
Hwayoung only trained for a few months before she was added to T-ara and it took a while for her to find a place within the group
The CEO didn't want the members to feel confident or comfortable with the success that they rightfully earned.he constantly wanting them to feel unsafe in their own positions within the group. Hwayoung wasn't added to the group because they felt she was necessary, she was added to make the members feel insecure because the CEO very publicly threatened to fire and replace any member that was less than perfect. He threatened to keep adding members to group, which he did.
Still, despite his attempts at breeding hostility and competition, T-ara accepted Hwayoung and she became part of the family
T-ara continued their success with Wae Ironi, Roly Poly, Cry Cry etc.
Because of their hits, their visuals and certain members breaking out as actresses, they were GOD tier. Up their with 2ne1 and SNSD.
Then 2012 came. The CEO announced two new members would be joining the group: Areum and Dani. Areum joined in the summer and Dani, much younger and not knowing Korean, wound up never joining the group.
2012 was supposed to be a really busy year, they were planning their Japanese debut, and several Korean comebacks.
Now an 8 piece (The original 6, Hwayoung and aruem) T-ara made their much anticipated Day by Day comeback and Japanese debut. Both were extremely successful, as was expected.
Then their Japanese debut concert happened. That's where everything started to go wrong.
Hwayoung had injured her ankle. The initial doctor deemed it fine but Hwayoung and her parents insisted on seeing a different doctor and got a cast on it. (There are allegations that she exaggerated her injury for attention and there are allegations that it wasn't properly diagnosed the first time around. No way of knowing for sure)
What Hwayoung should have done was go to rehearsal and either ask to skip out on the concert or find out a way to still contribute. She did neither of those things. She flat out skipped. The remaining members went from an expected 2 hour rehearsal to an 8 hour rehearsal trying to accommodate for Hwayoung, who was no where to be found.
Keep in mind that everyone in this situation is tired and extremely stressed out.
Hwayoung arrives right before the cobcert and is ordered by the CEO to not go on stage. She winds up only performing one song in a chair.
After the concert is over, 4 members take to Twitter and post vague tweets shading Hwayoung about her determination because they were pissed. Hwayoung and her sister both confirm it's about them and return shade.
T-ara winds being accused of bullying. Everyone denies it but the situation is exacerbated by several things.
1. Bad management: the CEO releases several statements contradicting himself and straight up lying. No one takes him seriously.
2. The members that shades Hwayoung. Several of them had been going through scandals or were being falsely accused for things from their past because of the tweets.
3. "Evidence" of bullying. Internet users took clips and images and manipulated it go make it seem like the members had a history of bullying Hwayoung. These were all false and taken out of context but people refused to believe it at the time.
The members clarified several times that there was no bullying involved, just tension but no one believes them.
To make matters worse in yet another poor management decision, the CEO and staff vote to kick Hwayoung out of the group despite literally no one in the group wanting that.
In less than a week, T-ara goes from being one of kpop's most beloved ggs to the Nation's Bitches.
They get death threats and suicide petitions, brands drop them left and right and they didn't get any music show wins for five years. If not for their international popularity, they would have disbanded.
5 years later, Hwayoung (now an actress) does an interview with her sister. Ex staff members didn't like what she said about feeling alone in T-ara and being to call her out for spoiled behavior within the group. It's essentially a lot of He Said, she Said (besides texts that hwayoungs sister sends threaten to maul one of the members but again, that's another story.)
The main point is that T-ara is finally exonerated as bullie in the eyes of the public
I tried to condense it but it wound up being so long RIP
Basically, T-ara are really nice people that made really good music. They lost everything over a silly mistake
Ah, I've heard about them from a lot of Orbits. They're one of the ones at the top of my interest list, but right now I'm going through 2nd generation groups before I return to the newer stuff. Thanks for the suggestion.
i would recommend t-ara, kara, miss a, fx, sistar, brown eyed girls, after school, fiesta, aoa, apink. i cant really think of more rn but im sure you will find more songs as u keep listening. hope u will have a great time here exploring kpop and thank u for choosing this forum. see u around!
Hello, I've known about Kpop since Girl's Generation got big, but I always thought it was something weird that I wouldn't be able to get into. I've been a fan of anime since I was a kid and after getting into subs a few years ago, the better experience in my opinion, I didn't see the difference between enjoying subbed anime and Kpop. Since I was already used to an east Asian language through anime, it was pretty easy to appreciate the BTS releases that became popular in the west. Earlier this year, I decided to give Kpop a serious try through Blackpink and Twice and I instantly fell in love with the genre.
Here I am now, stanning Mamamoo and (G)I-dle, and have been on a Kpop binge since May. I've decided that I very much prefer GGs to BGs and I believe it's because I like the sound of female vocals when sung in Hangungmal more than male vocals. My favorite groups thus far would be Mamamoo, (G)I-dle, CLC, Dreamcatcher, EXID, Red Velvet, and Ladies' Code. However, that doesn't mean I have no respect for the guys. BTS are what initially got me to give the genre a chance and I happen to like Stray Kids and Oneus, Mamamoo's little brothers :3. I've listened to around 20 girl groups about now and decided I want to know more about the genre, thus I have joined this forum. Currently listening to KARA and looking for more groups to stan. I've made it a rule to only stan active groups so that I have more to look forward to.
I hope to have fun and leave my care and guidance in your hands.
Hello! I like to think of myself as more of a fan of underground K-pop groups. Sooooo for active underground girl groups (and boy groups) I recommend (the ones colored are the disbanded ones):
Berry Good
(Known for their song "Angel". They debuted in 2014 under Asia Bridge Entertainment. Their most recent single is "Oh Oh!" Click the spoilers to see the music videos.)
"Angel"
"Oh Oh!"
Annnd the radio performance for "Angel" so you can clearly hear everyone's voice
카밀라 (CAMILA)
(It's an Independent group managed, under the company of, with the leader member position being, the vocalist position being, stylist, marketing, etc etc by member Han Choim. Unfortunately it was recently annouced (July 22, 2019) that they'll be disbanding. I advise looking up the group via their Hangeul name or else you're gonna get former Fifth Harmony member Camila Cabello)
Red Lips (their debut)
GWSN
(I've gotten lazy at this point. A Girl group that's gonna release their 3rd single "Red sun" soon. They debuted with the song "Puzzle Moon")
"Puzzle Moon"
"Pinky Star (Run)" I LOVE this song by them.
I'd like to make a note that for live performances, depending on the position, the playback track (background music with vocals) volume is either lower or higher. Usually you'll hear the main/lead vocalist voice more so than sub-vocalists and vocals. The reason as to why is because most of the time they have the playback track low or REALLY low for main/leads. While for the sub-vocalists/vocalists they playtrack is up to equal level as their microphone output OR its noticeably higher than their mic output.
S#afla
(Their name reminds me of old K-pop group S#ARP
There's also boy groups:
-ATEEZ (I like "Pirate King", "Hala Hala" and "Say My Name" for title tracks)
-IN2IT (known for their song "Snapshot").
Girl groups:
-Laboum (still very active. I like "What about You" and "Hwi Hwi")
-Neon Punch (I like "tic toc")
-Pink Fantasy (known for their member having a mascot bunny head in all appearances/lives no one knows what her face looks like. Their debut "Iriwa" is nice)
-WANNA.B (I don't know what to recommend sooo go listen to "LEGGO" their latest song!)
Sorry if this is a whole lot. I know too much . I tried to put a bit of a variety of concepts but I feel like there's like one too many of the same concepts.
Anyways, I hope this helps! And I hope you have a nice time here.
If you're a grandma stan what does that make me? o-o Sure 2005 is the 2000s still.
Buuuut my top groups include Baby V.O.X and SECHSKIES. Both debuted in 1997. Baby V.O.X under DR Music and SECHSKIES under DSP Media.
Yep. DR Music as in RANIA's company (we're gonna pretend Baby V.O.X Re.V doesn't exist) and DSP Media as in KARA, K.A.R.D, April, Baby KARA, Fin.K.L, Click-B, Shyne, Rainbow, Puretty, A-JAX, SS501, etc.
I can try to shorten it as best as I can. All the explanations I've seen are incredibly long.
T-ara started off with 6 members
They were successful very early on with their hit single Bo Peep Bo Peep being released a few months after debut. It was a HUGE hit
The next year, a new maknae was added to the group. Her name was Hwayoung and she became the main rapper. Objectively, she wasn't needed, since T-ara had good rappers already in the group but Hwayoung was still really talented.
This shouldn't have been a problem. But it was.
The main issue with T-ara was the fact that their CEO was crazy and abusive to the girls. He yelled at them, he overworked them severely and forced certain members to starve themselves before comebacks. He also forced members to work through their injuries and used toxic mediaplay both for and against his own artists. There are also allegations of managers been abusive but I'm not to sure on that.
Hwayoung only trained for a few months before she was added to T-ara and it took a while for her to find a place within the group
The CEO didn't want the members to feel confident or comfortable with the success that they rightfully earned.he constantly wanting them to feel unsafe in their own positions within the group. Hwayoung wasn't added to the group because they felt she was necessary, she was added to make the members feel insecure because the CEO very publicly threatened to fire and replace any member that was less than perfect. He threatened to keep adding members to group, which he did.
Still, despite his attempts at breeding hostility and competition, T-ara accepted Hwayoung and she became part of the family
T-ara continued their success with Wae Ironi, Roly Poly, Cry Cry etc.
Because of their hits, their visuals and certain members breaking out as actresses, they were GOD tier. Up their with 2ne1 and SNSD.
Then 2012 came. The CEO announced two new members would be joining the group: Areum and Dani. Areum joined in the summer and Dani, much younger and not knowing Korean, wound up never joining the group.
2012 was supposed to be a really busy year, they were planning their Japanese debut, and several Korean comebacks.
Now an 8 piece (The original 6, Hwayoung and aruem) T-ara made their much anticipated Day by Day comeback and Japanese debut. Both were extremely successful, as was expected.
Then their Japanese debut concert happened. That's where everything started to go wrong.
Hwayoung had injured her ankle. The initial doctor deemed it fine but Hwayoung and her parents insisted on seeing a different doctor and got a cast on it. (There are allegations that she exaggerated her injury for attention and there are allegations that it wasn't properly diagnosed the first time around. No way of knowing for sure)
What Hwayoung should have done was go to rehearsal and either ask to skip out on the concert or find out a way to still contribute. She did neither of those things. She flat out skipped. The remaining members went from an expected 2 hour rehearsal to an 8 hour rehearsal trying to accommodate for Hwayoung, who was no where to be found.
Keep in mind that everyone in this situation is tired and extremely stressed out.
Hwayoung arrives right before the cobcert and is ordered by the CEO to not go on stage. She winds up only performing one song in a chair.
After the concert is over, 4 members take to Twitter and post vague tweets shading Hwayoung about her determination because they were pissed. Hwayoung and her sister both confirm it's about them and return shade.
T-ara winds being accused of bullying. Everyone denies it but the situation is exacerbated by several things.
1. Bad management: the CEO releases several statements contradicting himself and straight up lying. No one takes him seriously.
2. The members that shades Hwayoung. Several of them had been going through scandals or were being falsely accused for things from their past because of the tweets.
3. "Evidence" of bullying. Internet users took clips and images and manipulated it go make it seem like the members had a history of bullying Hwayoung. These were all false and taken out of context but people refused to believe it at the time.
The members clarified several times that there was no bullying involved, just tension but no one believes them.
To make matters worse in yet another poor management decision, the CEO and staff vote to kick Hwayoung out of the group despite literally no one in the group wanting that.
In less than a week, T-ara goes from being one of kpop's most beloved ggs to the Nation's Bitches.
They get death threats and suicide petitions, brands drop them left and right and they didn't get any music show wins for five years. If not for their international popularity, they would have disbanded.
5 years later, Hwayoung (now an actress) does an interview with her sister. Ex staff members didn't like what she said about feeling alone in T-ara and being to call her out for spoiled behavior within the group. It's essentially a lot of He Said, she Said (besides texts that hwayoungs sister sends threaten to maul one of the members but again, that's another story.)
The main point is that T-ara is finally exonerated as bullie in the eyes of the public
I tried to condense it but it wound up being so long RIP
Basically, T-ara are really nice people that made really good music. They lost everything over a silly mistake
I've noticed that some companies treat their artists like dookie and very rarely do the companies face reprimand for it. It's something that happens throughout all industries but it's just very sad coming from a corner where everything used to be so cutesy and bubbly
Hello, thank you for the welcome. Sorry the late reply. I usually work in the mornings and then sleep when I get home in the afternoon so I barely fired up the website and saw that I ignored a welcome from an admin
i would recommend t-ara, kara, miss a, fx, sistar, brown eyed girls, after school, fiesta, aoa, apink. i cant really think of more rn but im sure you will find more songs as u keep listening. hope u will have a great time here exploring kpop and thank u for choosing this forum. see u around!
Hello! I like to think of myself as more of a fan of underground K-pop groups. Sooooo for active underground girl groups (and boy groups) I recommend (the ones colored are the disbanded ones):
Berry Good
(Known for their song "Angel". They debuted in 2014 under Asia Bridge Entertainment. Their most recent single is "Oh Oh!" Click the spoilers to see the music videos.)
"Angel"
"Oh Oh!"
Annnd the radio performance for "Angel" so you can clearly hear everyone's voice
카밀라 (CAMILA)
(It's an Independent group managed, under the company of, with the leader member position being, the vocalist position being, stylist, marketing, etc etc by member Han Choim. Unfortunately it was recently annouced (July 22, 2019) that they'll be disbanding. I advise looking up the group via their Hangeul name or else you're gonna get former Fifth Harmony member Camila Cabello)
Red Lips (their debut)
GWSN
(I've gotten lazy at this point. A Girl group that's gonna release their 3rd single "Red sun" soon. They debuted with the song "Puzzle Moon")
"Puzzle Moon"
"Pinky Star (Run)" I LOVE this song by them.
I'd like to make a note that for live performances, depending on the position, the playback track (background music with vocals) volume is either lower or higher. Usually you'll hear the main/lead vocalist voice more so than sub-vocalists and vocals. The reason as to why is because most of the time they have the playback track low or REALLY low for main/leads. While for the sub-vocalists/vocalists they playtrack is up to equal level as their microphone output OR its noticeably higher than their mic output.
S#afla
(Their name reminds me of old K-pop group S#ARP
There's also boy groups:
-ATEEZ (I like "Pirate King", "Hala Hala" and "Say My Name" for title tracks)
-IN2IT (known for their song "Snapshot").
Girl groups:
-Laboum (still very active. I like "What about You" and "Hwi Hwi")
-Neon Punch (I like "tic toc")
-Pink Fantasy (known for their member having a mascot bunny head in all appearances/lives no one knows what her face looks like. Their debut "Iriwa" is nice)
-WANNA.B (I don't know what to recommend sooo go listen to "LEGGO" their latest song!)
Sorry if this is a whole lot. I know too much . I tried to put a bit of a variety of concepts but I feel like there's like one too many of the same concepts.
Anyways, I hope this helps! And I hope you have a nice time here.
If you're a grandma stan what does that make me? o-o Sure 2005 is the 2000s still.
Buuuut my top groups include Baby V.O.X and SECHSKIES. Both debuted in 1997. Baby V.O.X under DR Music and SECHSKIES under DSP Media.
Yep. DR Music as in RANIA's company (we're gonna pretend Baby V.O.X Re.V doesn't exist) and DSP Media as in KARA, K.A.R.D, April, Baby KARA, Fin.K.L, Click-B, Shyne, Rainbow, Puretty, A-JAX, SS501, etc.
Thank you for the recommendations. I'll probably listen to GWSN first after my 2nd gen run since their discography is short and their comeback is coming up. Shame that I read today about Camila disbanding. From what I read briefly they showed such perseverance when the odds were stacked against them. I wished everyone would just leave my nugus alone
I've noticed that some companies treat their artists like dookie and very rarely do the companies face reprimand for it. It's something that happens throughout all industries but it's just very sad coming from a corner where everything used to be so cutesy and bubbly
When was it "cutesy and bubbly"? I clearly recall a time period where idols were not allowed to use PUBLIC RESTROOMS. Like back in the day. Because they were held on such a high pedestal and stuffs.
The idol industry has actually gotten better.
(Reasons why is listed below. Read it when you get the time to please~)
Like now they can't work school age idols all day and night due to laws.
There's now more focus on mental health and mental issues, especially at a company like JYP Ent. JYP Ent is known for taking care of their talents mental health and caring for their mental well being. Both their current and former trainees have praised the company for it.
There is shorter and more humane contracts for idols. Because before with TVXQ and other groups their contracts would be yeeeeaaarsssss long before a contract renewal. I believe these days the contracts are like 2 - 5 years for contract renewals, it depends on the company.
Idols can also sing live, because I clearly remember Eun Jiwon from SECHSKIES being made that him and his group were made to lip sync. So during his live performance at a sporting game he ripped his headset out and threw it on the ground during the MIDDLE of his lines to show that they were lip syncing.
I believe even financially it's gotten better for idols or it is getting better with all these lawsuits coming out about unfair pay for KOREAN idols and idols keep winning them. Foreign idols had and still are getting paid less than the Korean ones because of Korean laws regarding foreigners working in the country that I still don't have a full grasp on.
WHOOO long post. Also no problem for the recommendations. I just wanna see more people like nugus.
When was it "cutesy and bubbly"? I clearly recall a time period where idols were not allowed to use PUBLIC RESTROOMS. Like back in the day. Because they were held on such a high pedestal and stuffs.
The idol industry has actually gotten better.
(Reasons why is listed below)
Like now they can't work school age idols all day and night due to laws.
There's now more focus on mental health and mental issues, especially at a company like JYP Ent. JYP Ent is known for taking care of their talents mental health and caring for their mental well being. Both their current and former trainees have praised the company for it.
There is shorter and more humane contracts for idols. Because before with TVXQ and other groups their contracts would be yeeeeaaarsssss long before a contract renewal. I believe these days the contracts are like 2 - 5 years for contract renewals, it depends on the company.
Idols can also sing live, because I clearly remember Eun Jiwon from SECHSKIES being made that him and his group were made to lip sync. So during his live performance at a sporting game he ripped his headset out and threw it on the ground during the MIDDLE of his lines to show that they were lip syncing.
I believe even financially it's gotten better for idols or it is getting better with all these lawsuits coming out about unfair pay for KOREAN idols and idols keep winning them. Foreign idols had and still are getting paid less than the Korean ones because of Korean laws regarding foreigners working in the country that I still don't have a full grasp on.
WHOOO long post. Also no problem for the recommendations. I just wanna see more people like nugus.
I meant that the way idols were being treated was completely contradictory to the concepts that most companies were having them do. I have become aware from a few youtubers that the industry has seen strides in correcting its many flaws. I don't what they're going to do about the Knetizens though.
I've noticed that some companies treat their artists like dookie and very rarely do the companies face reprimand for it. It's something that happens throughout all industries but it's just very sad coming from a corner where everything used to be so cutesy and bubbly
I meant that the way idols were being treated was completely contradictory to the concepts that most companies were having them do. I have become aware from a few youtubers that the industry has seen strides in correcting its many flaws. I don't what they're going to do about the Knetizens though.
They'd have to start with changing some of the criminal laws regarding minors for sure. Because too many are doing things that falls under defamation. o-o But not many are getting actually punished because their minors.
Not just on the internet but the whole Sasaeng thing with stalking, leaking private information, invading privacy, trespassing, intent to harm/kill others, etc. etc.
I think the whole disconnect between the lovely concepts and the harsh reality really shows just how much marketing and manufacturing gets put into groups and artists. It's not as bad as before, I think now we see idols with personalities and images close to what they actually are.
But I guess we won't know for sure until some get older and reveal their pasts like what certain retired/older idol singers have done.
They'd have to start with changing some of the criminal laws regarding minors for sure. Because too many are doing things that falls under defamation. o-o But not many are getting actually punished because their minors.
Not just on the internet but the whole Sasaeng thing with stalking, leaking private information, invading privacy, trespassing, intent to harm/kill others, etc. etc.
I think the whole disconnect between the lovely concepts and the harsh reality really shows just how much marketing and manufacturing gets put into groups and artists. It's not as bad as before, I think now we see idols with personalities and images close to what they actually are.
But I guess we won't know for sure until some get older and reveal their pasts like what certain retired/older idol singers have done.
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those days were insane and „articles“ would pop up basically every hour
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