Rumor So What's REALLY Going On (Maybe?) (1 Viewer)

[VillageIdiot]

Considering some of the assholes he was friends with, this wouldn't surprise me at all tbh

 

[PrideInBaek]

After SM's non-statement idk what to think anymore. I just want this to be resolved quickly.

 

[brekker]

So, that is why you have to choose your friends wisely. Poor Chaneyol. He seems like a genuinely cool, funny guy.

 

[Evergreen]

It might be true or a random fan trying to shield him. That’s why it’s never good to jump on the bandwagon. People who hate Chanyeol are going to run with this cheater narrative even though we are maybe never going to find out the truth.

 

[Suzy]

This whole situation is just so frustrating.

 

[Abeamus]

Rats tend to run in packs so if he had multiple questionable friends then it's just as possible he's questionable too so we'll just see if someone steps up to bat for him.

 

[eclipsoul]

 

[brekker]

Rats tend to run in packs so if he had multiple questionable friends then it's just as possible he's questionable too so we'll just see if someone steps up to bat for him.

It is true that if you want to judge a person, look at who he chooses to be friends with. It is just a huge shame that it is Chanyeol :D. However, being a cheater, doesn´t need to make you a bad artist. This is why this whole "idol" image is so dangerous because it really makes people think about their favourite artists as some superhumans.

 

[Abeamus]

It is true that if you want to judge a person, look at who he chooses to be friends with. It is just a huge shame that it is Chanyeol :D. However, being a cheater, doesn´t need to make you a bad artist. This is why this whole "idol" image is so dangerous because it really makes people think about their favourite artists as some superhumans.

Some people won't want to support someone who could be considered a morally bad person though and that does not just go for Kpop as that goes for anything really so with something like cheating it comes down to context and in the context that Chanyeol is being accused of it does not make him a person that some people will want to support.

 

[brekker]

Some people won't want to support someone who could be considered a morally bad person though and that does not just go for Kpop as that goes for anything really so with something like cheating it comes down to context and in the context that Chanyeol is being accused of it does not make him a person that some people will want to support.

Some people won´t support a morally good person, simply because they don´t like their style, their personality is not good enough etc. There are many reasons to not support a person :). I understand why some people would turn their backs on him, but there are many who would say "look, he is not my boyfriend" despite everything. He is not my favourite in EXO, but I personally don´t think that

a) we should not be so quick to judge;
b) he is certainly not my boyfriend so I don´t care; Do you care about your doctor´s personal life or do you care about him doing his job well?
c) it all sounds a little bit exaggerated when you think about it. not that it is impossible to believe he would cheat, but so much?;

Also, I have a feeling that EXO is being slowly destroyed piece by piece. Some days ago, I read an article accusing Lay of being in a Korean band while promoting in China and supporting Chinese politics. In that context, it just all looks weird.

 

[Abeamus]

Some people won´t support a morally good person, simply because they don´t like their style, their personality is not good enough etc. There are many reasons to not support a person :). I understand why some people would turn their backs on him, but there are many who would say "look, he is not my boyfriend" despite everything. He is not my favourite in EXO, but I personally don´t think that

a) we should not be so quick to judge;
b) he is certainly not my boyfriend so I don´t care; Do you care about your doctor´s personal life or do you care about him doing his job well?
c) it all sounds a little bit exaggerated when you think about it. not that it is impossible to believe he would cheat, but so much?;

Also, I have a feeling that EXO is being slowly destroyed piece by piece. Some days ago, I read an article accusing Lay of being in a Korean band while promoting in China and supporting Chinese politics. In that context, it just all looks weird.

Firstly this is just a bad response to my argument since it has nothing to do with Chanyeol being someones boyfriend or not and has to do with the fact that cheating on someone is wrong so you should work on how to properly respond to peoples arguments.

Oh we doing points now too? Sure let's do some points then

1. It's not being quick to judge, it's called taken the evidence that you have so far and then adapting as the situation changes which is the right thing to do in any given situation and it is not my problem if someone takes a stance and then is too stubborn to change it despite their stance being wrong.

2. Well I should hope that I would never know my doctors personal life and again bad comparison considering a doctor is not a role model to anyone unlike what celebrities are as the focus for a celebrity is their personality first and their skills second where as the doctor is his skills.

3. He's only been accused of cheating at least with 10 different girls in a 3 year relationship which is probably pretty average for someone who's just looking to have fun and sleep around and especially in the position he's in since he could easily get girls.

You are free to believe what you wish but starting baseless conspiracy theories is just a sign of struggling to accept the reality of what's happening, at the end of the day all we can do is go on what has been presented to us thus far and evolve as it does however if Chanyeol does not speak his side then it just comes down to whether you believe the situation or not.

 

[brekker]

Firstly this is just a bad response to my argument since it has nothing to do with Chanyeol being someones boyfriend or not and has to do with the fact that cheating on someone is wrong so you should work on how to properly respond to peoples arguments.

Oh we doing points now too? Sure let's do some points then

1. It's not being quick to judge, it's called taken the evidence that you have so far and then adapting as the situation changes which is the right thing to do in any given situation and it is not my problem if someone takes a stance and then is too stubborn to change it despite their stance being wrong.

2. Well I should hope that I would never know my doctors personal life and again bad comparison considering a doctor is not a role model to anyone unlike what celebrities are as the focus for a celebrity is their personality first and their skills second where as the doctor is his skills.

3. He's only been accused of cheating at least with 10 different girls in a 3 year relationship which is probably pretty average for someone who's just looking to have fun and sleep around and especially in the position he's in since he could easily get girls.

You are free to believe what you wish but starting baseless conspiracy theories is just a sign of struggling to accept the reality of what's happening, at the end of the day all we can do is go on what has been presented to us thus far and evolve as it does however if Chanyeol does not speak his side then it just comes down to whether you believe the situation or not.

Now, here is where I have to question your argument from the start. Is that necessary to put people down when you want to state your disagreement? Why are you belittling my argument and telling me to learn something? Please, do explain to me, what gives you the right to talk to me in that way?
You can write in points, I´m listening. I wonder what has happened in your life to make you can to people in that manner?

1) Having what evidence? Considering you can find different conflicting information on various websites (aka first it was an ex, then a friend pretending to be a friend, then a fan pretending ...). Also, the case is usually closed after all the evidence is given. Let us hear Chaneyol´s version, shall we?

2) Doctors are not role models? Well, I have never put anyone putting a their doctor´s face on the wall, that is true, but for many children and young people, doctors certainly are role models. But considering we might be from different countries and are exposed to different cultural values, I´ll give you that. I must admit, doctors are usually regarded very highly here and their voices are valued and listened to. So that might be a bad example on my part.

3) Considering how busy his schedule is and having a girlfriend, I´d argue it is a lot, but ok.

While as you say I´m stating conspiracy theories, you just come off as a hater. Your theories are nothing but conspiracy too, you have just chosen to argument with gossip websites and accusations made by angry exes and/or jealous friends.

Why do you want to put him down so badly? Or is it a habit of yours to make you feel better?

 

[Abeamus]

Now, here is where I have to question your argument from the start. Is that necessary to put people down when you want to state your disagreement? Why are you belittling my argument and telling me to learn something? Please, do explain to me, what gives you the right to talk to me in that way?
You can write in points, I´m listening. I wonder what has happened in your life to make you can to people in that manner?

1) Having what evidence? Considering you can find different conflicting information on various websites (aka first it was an ex, then a friend pretending to be a friend, then a fan pretending ...). Also, the case is usually closed after all the evidence is given. Let us hear Chaneyol´s version, shall we?

2) Doctors are not role models? Well, I have never put anyone putting a their doctor´s face on the wall, that is true, but for many children and young people, doctors certainly are role models. But considering we might be from different countries and are exposed to different cultural values, I´ll give you that. I must admit, doctors are usually regarded very highly here and their voices are valued and listened to. So that might be a bad example on my part.

3) Considering how busy his schedule is and having a girlfriend, I´d argue it is a lot, but ok.

While as you say I´m stating conspiracy theories, you just come off as a hater. Your theories are nothing but conspiracy too, you have just chosen to argument with gossip websites and accusations made by angry exes and/or jealous friends.

Why do you want to put him down so badly? Or is it a habit of yours to make you feel better?

You'll have to point me to where I put you down considering all I said was that your argument skills need work and pointed out the flaws in your argument and did not imply anything about you as a person unlike what you did with me saying you wondered what happened in my life for me to believe I could talk in this manner.

1. I have seen that there has been a lot going around but that doesn't necessarily make the initial statement false considering the mess that was Reveluvs during Irenes scandal and this expose only really makes sense from an ex and as I said in my initial point that you should be able to evolve your stance as a situation developes so I can give a strong opinion here and adjust it if Chanyeol comes out with a statement of his own.

2. The position of Doctor itself is highly regarded but it's not really about the person and just more so the idea that the person worked really hard to get into that position but that regard can quickly change based on how well someone feels they did their job rather than any personality trait like celebrities are judged on.

3. It's only 3 girls a year on average with 1 remaining after which seems pretty doable considering the past 3 years haven't been EXOs most active if it's excluding most of 2017.

As yes the classic "you're just a hater!" defense now we've really gotten a riveting argument on our hands so listen closely as I have no interest in EXO and the only thing I have said that could be taken as having put Chanyeol down is that I said rats are usually in packs which was more a statement that his friends being bad isn't a solid defense on its own.

I clearly struck a nerve with something I said as you're really going for me rather than my points and I have no interest in continuing that kind of an argument so hopefully you can get into a calmer spot and have a good day.

 

[brekker]

You'll have to point me to where I put you down considering all I said was that your argument skills need work and pointed out the flaws in your argument and did not imply anything about you as a person unlike what you did with me saying you wondered what happened in my life for me to believe I could talk in this manner.

1. I have seen that there has been a lot going around but that doesn't necessarily make the initial statement false considering the mess that was Reveluvs during Irenes scandal and this expose only really makes sense from an ex and as I said in my initial point that you should be able to evolve your stance as a situation developes so I can give a strong opinion here and adjust it if Chanyeol comes out with a statement of his own.

2. The position of Doctor itself is highly regarded but it's not really about the person and just more so the idea that the person worked really hard to get into that position but that regard can quickly change based on how well someone feels they did their job rather than any personality trait like celebrities are judged on.

3. It's only 3 girls a year on average with 1 remaining after which seems pretty doable considering the past 3 years haven't been EXOs most active if it's excluding most of 2017.

As yes the classic "you're just a hater!" defense now we've really gotten a riveting argument on our hands so listen closely as I have no interest in EXO and the only thing I have said that could be taken as having put Chanyeol down is that I said rats are usually in packs which was more a statement that his friends being bad isn't a solid defense on its own.

I clearly struck a nerve with something I said as you're really going for me rather than my points and I have no interest in continuing that kind of an argument so hopefully you can get into a calmer spot and have a good day.

And I´ve implied that you need to work on your attitude towards people and the manner you talk to them and asked you what gave you the right to speak to me in that belittling manner as to tell me that my arguments need work. I disagree. I wonder why do you think you should decide whether my argumentative skills are good or not. How is that justified?

1. I must admit I have no idea about Irene´s scandal so if you were building your argument around that, I´m sorry and you might be right. I don´t care about Red Velvet, so I cannot really comment on that.

2. I agree with you on that one and I feel it is a huge shame how much we judge celebrities on their personalities rather than their performances and artistic skills, but I understand I cannot change that. Here, there is nothing to argue about.

3. Doable or not depends on how long-lasting their relationship was. I just know that life is not always black and white. A cheater doesn´t necessarily have to be a bad guy. It might sound strange, but I know two who just couldn´t get out of a relationship. And honestly what kind of mature person would go to the papers and sell that story knowing that his reputation will be ruined probably forever? The career of a kpop star is so short and she had just made it shorter. I just think this is immature. I think at this point this might seem like I´m okay with cheaters, that I am on his side no matter what. Not at all. Do I support cheaters? Hell no. Do I understand them? Sometimes, yes. Sometimes, I can see their point of view, sometimes I can understand why. But no matter how hurt I would be, I would never destroy someone´s career like that (and please let´s exclude the crimes that are unjustifiable).

I think this is where you lost a valid point because I have never attacked you personally. I only feel like you are judging a person on a personal level without knowing him. I also wonder that since you have no interest in EXO, why do you even care? To stir up some gossip? To enjoy some drama? You haven´t really stricken a nerve at all. This is a forum, not my life :). But I feel like you are being unfair here, so I´m answering. Isn´t this a place of discussion? If you are not a hater, I´m glad! But maybe reread your arguments and see why I could think that you are. Your arguments actually sounded far from neutral and just biased.

But if I had insulted you personally, I apologise for that. It was not intention.

 

[LoveYooShaSha]

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But if I had insulted you personally, I apologise for that. It was not intention.

I think Intent doesnt matter when the rules here say dont insult other users.
This forum isnt like others where ppl freely shade others n get away scot free with it. I hvnt the energy to go thru every word u wrote again since im not a mod or staff here. N since Abeamus here is one of the nicest users here n is willing to let it go, ill just say here please read the rules of KS n learn to read the room.

We've now had (this must be the 3rd such situation in idk how many mths) n this is the first time iv felt tat someone has rlly gone overboard in defense of an idol in this situation. You dont hv to read every thread abt previous issues but the only thing tat matters to me is the deafening silence from PCY.

Absent tat, i judge him based on his inaction in denying/admitting if its true or flat out stating its his private business. Silence in this matter is a basis for my judgement of his character n in korea character matters if you want to be an idol, if it dint matter watever i or any other inetz say is meaningless.

PCY, be a man n address the issue or deny everything. Doing nothing is just trying to buy time to recover or cover up your reputation or you hvnt decided how to handle it. I know which i think it is.

 

[brekker]

I think Intent doesnt matter when the rules here say dont insult other users.
This forum isnt like others where ppl freely shade others n get away scot free with it. I hvnt the energy to go thru every word u wrote again since im not a mod or staff here. N since Abeamus here is one of the nicest users here n is willing to let it go, ill just say here please read the rules of KS n learn to read the room.

We've now had (this must be the 3rd such situation in idk how many mths) n this is the first time iv felt tat someone has rlly gone overboard in defense of an idol in this situation. You dont hv to read every thread abt previous issues but the only thing tat matters to me is the deafening silence from PCY.

Absent tat, i judge him based on his inaction in denying/admitting if its true or flat out stating its his private business. Silence in this matter is a basis for my judgement of his character n in korea character matters if you want to be an idol, if it dint matter watever i or any other inetz say is meaningless.

PCY, be a man n address the issue or deny everything. Doing nothing is just trying to buy time to recover or cover up your reputation or you hvnt decided how to handle it. I know which i think it is.

Please

I think Intent doesnt matter when the rules here say dont insult other users.
This forum isnt like others where ppl freely shade others n get away scot free with it. I hvnt the energy to go thru every word u wrote again since im not a mod or staff here. N since Abeamus here is one of the nicest users here n is willing to let it go, ill just say here please read the rules of KS n learn to read the room.

We've now had (this must be the 3rd such situation in idk how many mths) n this is the first time iv felt tat someone has rlly gone overboard in defense of an idol in this situation. You dont hv to read every thread abt previous issues but the only thing tat matters to me is the deafening silence from PCY.

Absent tat, i judge him based on his inaction in denying/admitting if its true or flat out stating its his private business. Silence in this matter is a basis for my judgement of his character n in korea character matters if you want to be an idol, if it dint matter watever i or any other inetz say is meaningless.

PCY, be a man n address the issue or deny everything. Doing nothing is just trying to buy time to recover or cover up your reputation or you hvnt decided how to handle it. I know which i think it is.

You are just picking your sides, considering her arguments were quite personal as well, but I am not going to argue with you considering that your slang writing is telling me that there are many minors on this forum and I don´t want to insult someone who is much younger. I also don´t want you to think that my silence is "basis for your judgement". But, please, next time don´t jump into other people´s conversations.

Saying that I went too far to defend an idol is a bit exaggerated as I have never said anything derogatory towards the user. I simply asked what in life has given her the right to judge my argumentative skills or as she said "you should work on how you respond...".

 

[LoveYooShaSha]

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You are just picking your sides, considering her arguments were quite personal as well, but I am not going to argue with you considering that your slang writing is telling me that there are many minors on this forum and I don´t want to insult someone who is much younger. I also don´t want you to think that my silence is "basis for your judgement". But, please, next time don´t jump into other people´s conversations.

Saying that I went too far to defend an idol is a bit exaggerated as I have never said anything derogatory towards the user. I simply asked what in life has given her the right to judge my argumentative skills or as she said "you should work on how you respond...".

Again please read the rules here n dont insult me by denigrating my wording skillz. Also learn to read the room before telling ppl not to jump into other's conversations. Again i dont hv the energy or patience to read every word you wrote in defense of PCY b4 my post.

Im just addressing ur reply to me now- n the quoted bit i posted: intent is not an excuse for insulting another user here(i think) so using the statement tat it wasnt ur intent to insult other users was all tat i addressed in my post. I think you dont read or understand about worlds of meaning in leaving out the unsaid or unspoken.

I dont hv anything to say abt whether someone else's argument is right or wrong in this thread. If you read my post carefully, i left tat all out precisely because its subjective. All i addressed to you was abt tat one sentence i quoted.

The rest of my post was more about how ur replies towards other users got me to thinking about my first principles, to judge by ppl's actions not by hearsay. Which i hope i hv done here. Good nite. N learn to read the room. Or even the whole house if you only enter one room in it.

 

[LoveYooShaSha]

Saying tat someone went overboard is in relation to your statement

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But if I had insulted you personally, I apologise for that. It was not intention.

Everything else i posted b4 ur reply to me i admit was colored by wat else you posted but if you dint yourself feel you went overboard, you wrote tat last statement anyway.

I apologize unreservedly for conflating the 2 things in my 1st reply post to you. I mixed the 2 issues together there: ur intent n the silence from PCY. I shd hv separated the two n not tied them together. Good nite.

 

[brekker]

Saying tat someone went overboard is in relation to your statement

Everything else i posted b4 ur reply to me i admit was colored by wat else you posted but if you dint yourself feel you went overboard, you wrote tat last statement anyway.

I apologize unreservedly for conflating the 2 things in my 1st reply post to you. I mixed the 2 issues together there: ur intent n the silence from PCY. I shd hv separated the two n not tied them together. Good nite.

It honestly did not start as a personal attack. I definitely had zero intentions to insult anyone. I simply disagreed with someone´s opinion and didn´t understand why it was necessary to be said to "work on my skills". I must admit I have taken that comment personally and responded in that way.
Hence, for that I apologise.

I think we all go a bit overboard to defend artists we like. Isn´t it a reason why we are here? To discuss? Some choose to believe one thing, others choose to believe another. However a disagreement does not necessarily have to escalate into a personal attack and so, please, let´s stop it here. I understand that your intention was to help your friend and it is very kind of you, but unfortunately comments like these only help to make it more and more personal. I don´t want to attack or argue with anyone.

If I have insulted you or your friend in a heated argument, I´m sorry and let us agree to disagree. I will be more careful with my words.

 

[LoveYooShaSha]

@yellowcoat
I think you hv totally misunderstood all of wat im saying here n the points iv been trying to make but since the other user has done the smarter thing than me n left the argument n i think tat my going on any further seems to me like just piling on/beating a dead horse ill just stop here(my draft before i wrote this was long and rambling so iv shortened/deleted n changed it to just this.) Good nite.