News San E "Feminst" fuels a debate due to the lyrics (1 Viewer)

[yeji]

Lyrics:
1)“I am feminist
I believe that women and men are equal
See, I said ‘women’ first
Like how in ‘mom and dad,’ ‘mom’ comes first
I read one book
What’s personal is political
They’re cool words

“Women have always suffered
And historically, us men have always oppressed [women]

“But
I don’t understand how people are saying women and men aren’t equal in modern times
If my grandma said so, I might
But what has been so unfair in your life?
You’ll say something about Korea’s gender wage gap ranking in the OECD, blah blah
Fucking fake fact

“Hey, if you want rights so bad, why don’t you go to the military
Why do I pay for dates
What more do you want
We made space for you on subways, buses, and parking lots, why

“Oh girls don’t need a prince
Then when we’re buying a house after marriage let’s go half and half
I’m no fucking prince

“Men have a lot to say too
Men are victims of Confucianism and patriarchy too

“Did I make this? Did I do it?
Sister why mad?
Blame system, not men

“I am feminist

2)“I am feminist

“I support the Me Too movement, you know that
Director Kim, actor Cho, assholes
Because of them men are collectively insulted
But honestly

“Other than in those extreme situations
Why do [women] consent, have sex, do everything
And then do Me Too? Gold digger?
Must be nice selling their bodies making money
Men are criminals, fucking law
We’re being patient with reverse discrimination not saying anything

“Ministry of Gender Equality stop wasting time
For the healthy feminists at least
You need to do away with misandry first.
Womad

“And the Corset Free Movement (huh)
I won’t stop you but
In the end it’s framing men (what?)
Standards, when did we ever say you had to be pretty
They did plastic surgery for their own satisfaction and now
Childishly they don’t wear bras, don’t shave their armpits
Cut their hair short, then what
Do you think that makes you a woke progressive woman?

“Equality sex?
Nah that’s inferiority complex man
I like your long hair don’t change
And I am feminist

3)“I’m on the side of women
I don’t hate women
Actually I love women too much that’s the problem
You, my mom, my sisters
I respect them as they are

“I’m not one of those losers in the news
I never yell or curse. Dating violence?
I absolutely acknowledge men’s faults
For the day when [women] can freely roam the Gangnam Station area at night
Here, cheers

“How was it, I’m different right?
It’s okay I’m not dangerous
I’m different trust me
It’s okay

“I am feminist”

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Opinions on this?

[I really want to give my opinion too but since I dislike San E alot it would not be fair ]
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[Administrator2]

It's a great song with a great message, in my opinion. From what I can deduce, he is actually all for women equality but is mocking men who are putting women down. He was always brilliant.

 

[yeji]

It's a great song with a great message, in my opinion. From what I can deduce, he is actually all for women equality but is mocking men who are putting women down. He was always brilliant.

I think the last vers is ok. But the start just rubs me the wrong way. But as I mentioned I really don't like San E so I also will be really critical of anything he raps about.

 

[Lovely_Cornchips]

idk as an American I can see some of the points in the first verses but even as someone who isn't a feminist other lines make me uncomfortable?

Idk lol if its satirical I guess its fine then

 

[mirella]

[I really want to give my opinion too but since I dislike San E alot it would not be fair ]

I want to hear

A few of the points are valid, but imo some parts contradict each other too much for his message to actually be effective. Like, what is this...

Childishly they don’t wear bras, don’t shave their armpits
Cut their hair short, then what

He's just coming off as "why are women complaining? we men are oppressed too!!"

Unless he's saying he's a feminist and this is sarcastic. But it comes off to me as mockery and imitation.

 

[Administrator2]

I want to hear

A few of the points are valid, but imo some parts contradict each other too much for his message to actually be effective. Like, what is this...

Childishly they don’t wear bras, don’t shave their armpits
Cut their hair short, then what

He's just coming off as "why are women complaining? we men are oppressed too!!" as if that's cause to dismiss feminism

I am pretty sure that's the mocking of "the usual men" who discredit women. Same with the "we gave you parking spots, bus seats, etc".

 

[mirella]

I am pretty sure that's the mocking of "the usual men" who discredit women. Same with the "we gave you parking spots, bus seats, etc".

Is he mimicking a feminist or is he saying he's a feminist?

 

[yeji]

I want to hear

A few of the points are valid, but imo some parts contradict each other too much for his message to actually be effective. Like, what is this...

Childishly they don’t wear bras, don’t shave their armpits
Cut their hair short, then what

He's just coming off as "why are women complaining? we men are oppressed too!!" as if that's cause to dismiss feminism

exactly. He is contradicting himself and tough he says he loves woman and that he is a feminists says things like
You’ll say something about Korea’s gender wage gap ranking in the OECD, blah blah
Fucking fake fact
and
Equality sex?
Nah that’s inferiority complex man
I like your long hair don’t change
And I am feminist

I know he is sarcastic in most of his songs and I usually don't have a problem with that ( I don't like him because of his character but I still will admit that he has skills as a rapper) but a topic like feminism should not be used like that.

 

[yeji]

I am pretty sure that's the mocking of "the usual men" who discredit women. Same with the "we gave you parking spots, bus seats, etc".

that could be a possible way to explain this song

 

[yeji]

Is he mimicking a feminist or is he saying he's a feminist?

that's what's confusing about this song

 

[Administrator2]

Is he mimicking a feminist or is he saying he's a feminist?

Pretty sure he's saying he's a feminist.

 

[mirella]

Pretty sure he's saying he's a feminist.

In that case, that changes the meaning of the song drastically,

 

[4Ren]

I really want to give my opinion too but since I dislike San E alot it would not be fair

wdym? all's fair in this tea party

 

[yeji]

wdym? all's fair in this tea party

well since Ialready don't like him I would be way to judgy :oof_tea:

 

[Deleted member 74]

I don't like it

 

[4Ren]

well since Ialready don't like him I would be way to judgy :oof_tea:

ugh spill your tea i'm just curious and ahm dyin ta kno

 

[Darkseid]

Mixed feelings. He does make some valid points but also some stuff I'm kinda iffy on.

Yet to listen to the actual song though.

 

[RainbowDevil]

So basically... we don't know until he says if it was or wasn't sarcastic?
Cause if it wasn't... this ain't good

 

[blueberries]

I don't know if it's satire or not. If not I think it's bit mixed, it feels bit uninformed like that mostly staying on surface of things repeating same old things.

 

[Administrator2]

There was another diss response, I am loving the tea.