News Hybe/MHJ Civil War Megathread (16 Viewers)

[catonkatonk]

I'm not arguing against the system I'm agreeing with that you that yes there is obviously inequalities in every system legal - financial etc etc
however we are all citizens and "slaves" to said system and we have to live within that system...
one can complain (not necessarily you my friend) about the system and it's inequalities all day but that doesn't change the system - if one wants to change the system and argue and protest - be my guest they have my fullest support however I have to live within that system and I make do the best I can for myself and my family (maybe that's selfish maybe that's just self survivial???)

history is determined by the victors - those who "win" get to dictate the narrative just as whoever wins this case either hybe or ador or MHJ or NJZ get to dictate how the story goes

if NJZ win it's them rallying against the system and beating a conglomerate and the poor group being bullied by an unscrupulous entity
if Hybe wins then no bullying no malice just a group of greedy artists who would use any method to get out of a legally binding contact

No the outcome of the case does not determine public opinion. See again the case of OJ Simpson.
The court cannot decide reality, or collective belief.

And, I guess if we're going to nail this onto the philosophical broader point: The court is a second-order entity that exists downstream from society.
IE: It is not that governments create laws, courts enforce them, and we must follow them.
It is that we decide the society that we want, and the laws are created after the fact, to maintain that society.

So again I will question the equity of the current system and ask if it is desirable to society as a whole?
That is the calculation which underpins the whole thing.

 

[Selfmate]

So, firstly, things such as break clauses are generally standard. No, they're not in common law. But they are expected.

noted

The rest of your post is about agency: People have agency when signing contracts, they know what they're getting into, so tough luck.

I have a couple problems with this.
1. The principle that "you signed it, so tough" is not legally sound, at least not here in the UK. There are things such as "unfair terms" which cannot be enforced. Also, and I think this should be obvious: It is impossible for an individual to contract away their legal rights. I personally choose to take a broader view: It's impossible for an individual to contract away their human rights. And I consider freedom of employment a human right, because money is required to take advantage of pretty much all other rights (other than speech) in a capitalist system.

the issue becomes philosophical in what is a right and can the government/company/any organisation/local warlord take that away...and if so do you still have that right?
what if someone tries to take away your rights - what is your recourse? courts?
I understand unfair terms - whether such terms are unfair will be determined by the courts - the high court in UK might differ dramatically to the supreme court in the US to China to SK

2. There are no alternatives. The existing arrangement is the standard, and the gatekeepers to the industry have no incentive to change that. You can say, "okay, but that just means that all idols are making an internal calculation that it's worth it in the end". And, suuuure, that's true, but there's a degree of coercion in making that decision because of the lack of alternatives. In any case, this applies to the signing of contracts, not the challenging of the system. Do you see? You can still sign and then challenge the system which made these contracts common place. If you're saying that people who have signed these contracts cannot agitate for change because "well, you signed the contract", then no change will ever happen. And then you have to argue against, for example, TVXQ, who, yes, voluntarily signed "slave contracts" that were deemed to be unfair.

one can sign and still advocate for change and fight the system and like you mentioned TVXQ "won" but were there groups who lost? were there groups who decided to give up and not fight at all? who thought damn the company is too strong too much money involved so we give up...obviously NJZ is fighting and I commend them for fighting but like I said the narrative will be determined by the "winner"
Can you imagine a situation where TVXQ lost and we will have 10/13+ contracts now which is certainly possible

On a broader philosophical point, you seem to argue that neither the state nor society can have any say in the contractual relations between two individuals. However, you ignore that it is the structure of state and society that creates inequalities which parties can exploit to the expense of the other. Part of our legal system exists to counter-act the power of these inequalities and restore a semblance of balance. And even in Korea, even in the idol industry, it has happened before.

Unless your position is that TVXQ should never have challenged their contracts?

Think about it another way: If we say the system is unfair, but the people who are operating in it cannot challenge it because they agreed to be in it, then who CAN challenge it? You can't argue the merits of a contract that you're not inside. Not legally, anyway. I can't go to court trying to free my fave from their companies, because the company has no contractual relationship with me.

I'm also not saying they cannot challenge the system like I said I won't challenge it since I'm not in a position to do so however I never said anybody can't challenge the system - it is because others have challenged multiple systems
the right to vote
the right to 40 hour working weeks
the right to safe water supplies
(not necessarily a right right lol)
the list can go on that I now enjoy those freedoms that my forefathers fought for

but the system can still be unfair and like I choose not to fight but I also do not deny others the right to the fight

 

[Selfmate]

No the outcome of the case does not determine public opinion. See again the case of OJ Simpson.
The court cannot decide reality, or collective belief.

And, I guess if we're going to nail this onto the philosophical broader point: The court is a second-order entity that exists downstream from society.
IE: It is not that governments create laws, courts enforce them, and we must follow them.
It is that we decide the society that we want, and the laws are created after the fact, to maintain that society.

So again I will question the equity of the current system and ask if it is desirable to society as a whole?
That is the calculation which underpins the whole thing.

that's one case amongst many...
what is reality or collective belief?
who decides what is reality?
that's gets more philosophical
look at the US system now is that collective belief? the will of the masses? democracy?

I do not deny your right to question the equality of the system...
I also not deny the system is very flawed and unequal
the ideal desirability of a more equal system is very important but how does it affect a situation (such as NJZ) where one is arguing over the current system no?

 

[catonkatonk]

the ideal desirability of a more equal system is very important but how does it affect a situation (such as NJZ) where one is arguing over the current system no?

So, the way I see it is:
NewJeans are uniquely lucky amongst k-pop groups. When it comes to the sharp end of the system, they have suffered very little (imo).
Yet, because of that, they have a lot of money, and therefore, they have the means to actually put up a fight.
The result of the fight could be benficial for all idols who exist in a system that is exploitative. Even if the chance is slight, I will always argue in favour of more equitable outcomes.
The losers of this will be k-pop companies, but only to a degree, because they still maintain gatekeeper status in the industry, they still maintain IP, and they still receive the lions share of the profits while outsourcing most of the cost in the form of debt. So I don't care about them!

And, yes, all human systems are held together by collective belief. Money has value due to collective belief. Etc. Who knows how it is constructed, but it's clear that it is very difficult to control from the top down. People don't always believe the things that are true, but oh well.

 

[RandAlThor]

NewJeans open to returning to ADOR, but only under one condition

In a notable shift, NewJeans’s legal team clarified that the members aren’t completely against returning to ADOR. However, they laid out a non-negotiable condition. The agency must revert to how it was before HYBE’s internal audit of former CEO Min Hee Jin began in April 2024.

This part is very interesting given that we can NEVER ever ever get back together with ADOR

Yeah i thought that too .. they are gonna cave . there is no way in hell MHJ is getting back in Ador.

 

[RandAlThor]

1. That success can't be extrapolated going forward. The market is very unpredictable. Twice went from having 9 consecutive number ones in Korea to basically not charting at all within the span of two years. Anyone projecting their success in 2018 would have been very wrong (yes, they went on to much greater success, but that was internationally, where the consensus was that they had no chance at all). Anyway, any projection that Ador would likely give to the court would include future comebacks which they seem to have no intention of actually providing.

In any case, that wasn't my point. Ador's claim is:
"Well, we need to hold our artists to contracts because otherwise, the capital we invest in training them is at extreme risk."
I'm saying the risk is always there. The majority of k-pop groups do not turn a profit. Companies go bust all the time. For most of the industry, the risk isn't that the idols will leave, it's that they simply won't be successful. That may not be the case for companies like HYBE, but the law should take the view of the many, not the few.
Yes, companies take huge, long-term financial risks in taking on trainees and trying to debut them. I don't care. That's their dice to roll. It should not be the government's position to mitigate that risk. Failure is an essential consequence in a market economy. K-pop companies are not special and do not deserve special protection.

What happens if the seven year contract is abolished? Far fewer groups debut, fewer companies exist. Fine. Good. That's what the market wants. That's what we would say in any other industry. It does not benefit either society nor the individuals for people to be locked into contracts where they labour unprofitably for seven years.

2. I am against the contracts on principle, so for me, the argument doesn't hold. If Ador want to continue to reap "ample returns", then they should be forced to work for it by making the idols want to stay. In other words, they should be forced to continually compete with other agencies not just in terms of production output, but in terms of employment care. Why not? Most other industries operate in this way: They have a free market for labour.
Companies don't lose out altogether anyway, as they continue to control the IP that was created under them (IE, the NewJeans name and back catalogue). They can continue to make money off Hybe Boy for a hundred years, even if nobody working at Ador had anything to do with it at this point in time. I bet that's not something they're going to cry about though, right?

3. No, the court does not decide reality.

i think 2 is nuts.
They signed the deal full stop. in 7 years they can sign a new deal. or they can pay the exit/termination fee. they don't want to do that.
The time for all the lawyers is before you sign the contract. Once you sign unless there is criminal behavior its gonna be hard to break the contract if the lawyers are competent.

much of that stuff has to be planed years in advance. just like any business they need to have some measure of consistency to plan.
you can break that like teh NIL delas did the NCAA but that benefits legacy fans more than the team. Look at modern sports the connection to team/plyers is worse when all are free agents its all company stans ie they like NYY, Man city, the Cowboys, the lakers ect the ppl are semi irrelevant. That is what they are tying save in kpop. kpop companies are venture capital like they need that 1-2 wins to fund the rest.

in western music an artist live off of an album for years in kpop its churn and burn. so you gotta have stuff lined up well into the future.
and twice still out sells almost everyone. and are sick profitable.
number 1's do not mean what they used too.

 

[Selfmate]

So, the way I see it is:
NewJeans are uniquely lucky amongst k-pop groups. When it comes to the sharp end of the system, they have suffered very little (imo).
Yet, because of that, they have a lot of money, and therefore, they have the means to actually put up a fight.
The result of the fight could be benficial for all idols who exist in a system that is exploitative. Even if the chance is slight, I will always argue in favour of more equitable outcomes.
The losers of this will be k-pop companies, but only to a degree, because they still maintain gatekeeper status in the industry, they still maintain IP, and they still receive the lions share of the profits while outsourcing most of the cost in the form of debt. So I don't care about them!

And, yes, all human systems are held together by collective belief. Money has value due to collective belief. Etc. Who knows how it is constructed, but it's clear that it is very difficult to control from the top down. People don't always believe the things that are true, but oh well.

I completely agree that NJZ is in the best position to fight since they have the means and success and somewhat of a GP support and fanbase to take on the fight.

it could also be less beneficial if it forces kpop companies to include even more egregious terms into such contracts (if they aren't doing it already) but again the post civil war will see how kpop companies handle things moving forward...especially for smaller/nugu companies where idols have even more of an uphill battle to face

I don't particularly care for hybe nor NJZ since I have no skin in the game per se which is why I'm a fence sitter and let the courts and lawyers do their thing

 

[Selfmate]

i think 2 is nuts.
They signed the deal full stop. in 7 years they can sign a new deal. or they can pay the exit/termination fee. they don't want to do that.
The time for all the lawyers is before you sign the contract. Once you sign unless there is criminal behavior its gonna be hard to break the contract if the lawyers are competent.

I don't think it needs to be criminal behaviour per se my friend
as Caton (I can't type out his full username) said before there are such things are unfair terms which exist in both UK and
Aust. - there might also be breaches of contract that do not amount to illegality or criminality
which is why the parties go to court since one side says yes to contract breach whilst the other says no...

 

[RandAlThor]

I don't think it needs to be criminal behaviour per se my friend
as Caton (I can't type out his full username) said before there are such things are unfair terms which exist in both UK and
Aust. - there might also be breaches of contract that do not amount to illegality or criminality
which is why the parties go to court since one side says yes to contract breach whilst the other says no...

That is why i have the competent lawyer part. it seems the court has already ruled and crushed the MJH is expected or necessary for NJ

C) In light of the aforementioned premises and underlying

circumstances, especially the absence of evidence that Min

Heejin (AD) directly participated in the selection process of

NewJeans (Debtors), the relatively short official period during

which Min Heejin (AD) was involved in X's (NewJeans') debut

(from November 2, 2021, to August 1, 2022), the fact that this

exclusive contract does not include a so-called "keyman

clause" related to management, despite Min Heejin (AD)

directly entering into this exclusive contract with NewJeans

(Debtors) as the CEO of ADOR (Creditor), and the fact that the

term of the shareholders' agreement between HYBE (AB) and

Min Heejin (AD), etc., is 5 years, which does not match the 7-

year term of this exclusive contract, it is difficult to fully accept

NewJeans' (Debtors') argument that Min Heejin (AD) is a key

premise of this exclusive contract.

 

[Selfmate]

That is why i have the competent lawyer part. it seems the court has already ruled and crushed the MJH is expected or necessary for NJ

C) In light of the aforementioned premises and underlying

circumstances, especially the absence of evidence that Min

Heejin (AD) directly participated in the selection process of

NewJeans (Debtors), the relatively short official period during

which Min Heejin (AD) was involved in X's (NewJeans') debut

(from November 2, 2021, to August 1, 2022), the fact that this

exclusive contract does not include a so-called "keyman

clause" related to management, despite Min Heejin (AD)

directly entering into this exclusive contract with NewJeans

(Debtors) as the CEO of ADOR (Creditor), and the fact that the

term of the shareholders' agreement between HYBE (AB) and

Min Heejin (AD), etc., is 5 years, which does not match the 7-

year term of this exclusive contract, it is difficult to fully accept

NewJeans' (Debtors') argument that Min Heejin (AD) is a key

premise of this exclusive contract.

all lawyers claim to be competent - it's only when a problem arises does it become a test of competency...
two people having the same conversation in person in the same native language can still have different interpretations of the conversation let alone two parties interpreting a contract

maybe the MHJ is true I don't remember every detail of the case and whether that fact is determinative of the entire breach of contract or just a point in ador's favour is to be determined...

 

[Selfmate]

HYBE Allegedly Siphoned Off NJZ’s (NewJeans) Contract Fee To Another Subsidiary

As HYBE‘s troubles with the South Korean authorities continue to expand, some of the alleged findings in the process has left netizens disturbed.

Recently, it was reported that the company was among the 27 entities under investigation by the National Tax Service for tax evasion and stock market manipulation. On July 29, KST, the Seoul National Tax Service’s Investigation Bureau 4 deployed investigators to HYBE’s headquarters in Yongsan, Seoul, without any prior notice to collect data for the investigation.

Now, a legal document has surfaced on the internet, showing that HYBE most likely illegally siphoned off money from NJZ‘s (NewJeans) collaboration with PUBG: Battlegrounds.

The document showed that out of the ₩10.0 billion KRW (about $7.19 million USD) contract fee with Krafton, HYBE’s subsidiary quietly skimmed off around ₩4.10 billion KRW (about $2.95 million USD). But once the company was caught, they issued a correction notice and returned about ₩1.60 billion KRW (about $1.15 million USD). The data shown in the document were consistent with previous reports of HYBE “stealing” from ADOR to inflate the revenue of HYBE IM.

According to some users on community sites, the siphoned-off amount was originally ₩500 million KRW (about $360,000 USD) but increased to 4.1 billion after Min Hee Jin left her post as ADOR’s CEO.

This incident is reportedly one of the many cases being reviewed by the Investigation Bureau 4 at the moment.

The legal document has triggered huge backlash against HYBE, with some even unable to believe that the case was real.

Source: https://www.koreaboo.com/news/hybe-...njz-newjeans-contract-fee-another-subsidiary/

 

[Selfmate]

K-netizens react to special investigation into HYBE by the Seoul Regional Tax Office

On July 29, it was reported that the Seoul Regional Tax Office announced the launch of a special audit into HYBE.

According to the latest report, the '4th Bureau of Investigation' at the Seoul Regional Tax Office dispatched investigators without prior notice to HYBE’s headquarters in Yongsan, Seoul, on Monday morning, on July 28.

Following the reports, Korean netizens have focused their attention on the possible reasons HYBE has been subject to a special audit. One netizen compiled the articles from the past three months and outlined the reasons.

1. Bang Si Hyuk's 36.5 billion KRW (26.3 million USD) U.S. mansion was omitted from HYBE's assets.
The Fair Trade Commission is expected to continue investigating that HYBE Chairman Bang Si Hyuk allegedly did not include his U.S. luxury home in HYBE’s assets.

2. ADOR-HYBE IM's fee jumped from 500 million KRW (358,800 USD) to 4.1 billion KRW (2.95 million USD) after Min Hee Jin left.
HYBE IM recognized 4.1 billion KRW in sales through the ADOR-Krafton collaboration. According to the investment banking (IB) industry on the 22nd, the 4.1 billion KRW in internal sales recently disclosed by HYBE IM came from ADOR's collaboration with Krafton on NewJeans-related items. The collaboration, first proposed by Krafton, was formally launched last June after HYBE IM connected ADOR with Krafton. However, this was omitted in HYBE's May 21 forecast disclosure of internal transactions for the year, and was only added recently in a new disclosure.

A HYBE IM representative explained, "The disclosed revenue was recognized from the collaboration between Battlegrounds and NewJeans. We cannot confirm further details beyond the disclosed content."

3. Massive revenue underreporting: From 2.178 trillion KRW (1.57 billion USD) to just 2.1 billion KRW (1.5 million USD)
HYBE allegedly underreported annual sales by 1,000 times... paid 120 million KRW less in waste charges.

HYBE has come under fire for allegedly drastically underreporting revenue, avoiding about 120 million KRW (86,343 USD) in waste disposal fees, and omitting disclosure of certain affiliates. One omitted affiliate was Ocean Drive Investment, a company founded by former HYBE CEO Park Ji Won. Although the company became a HYBE affiliate immediately after its establishment on September 29, 2021, HYBE failed to disclose this until June 18 of this year, when it filed its group status disclosure.

4. Former CEO Park Ji Won's 100%-owned affiliate was not disclosed
Park Ji Won's company, Ocean Drive Investment, was missing from business reports... Financial Supervisory Service says HYBE responded, "We weren't aware of the disclosure standard."

HYBE is already embroiled in controversy for underreporting sales and dodging 120 million KRW in waste charges. The nondisclosure of Ocean Drive Investment, a firm wholly owned by former CEO Park Ji Won, added further fuel. Despite being an affiliate since its founding in 2021, HYBE only disclosed its existence in June of this year.

5. "Tuition Fees" Paid Between Affiliates (Internal Transactions)

All domestic labels under HYBE, except Big Hit Music, pay HYBE fees for music distribution, services, and other costs, functioning as a kind of “tuition fee” for artist training.

ADOR, home to NewJeans (debuted 2021), paid 15.7 billion KRW (11.3 million USD) last year, more than five times HYBE’s recognized internal revenue from them (3.1 billion KRW (2.23 million USD)). Source Music, which manages LE SSERAFIM (debuted 2022), paid 11 billion KRW — about three times its recognized internal revenue (3.5 billion KRW (2.52 million USD)).

Today's article update:
A National Tax Service (NTS) official stated, “We cannot disclose specific details of the tax investigation. We ask for your understanding.”



Another NTS official explained, “Through this special, unscheduled tax probe, we won’t just focus on unfair trading practices by major shareholders and executives. We are likely to conduct a wide-ranging investigation into possible tax evasion related to overseas entities in the U.S., Japan, and Southeast Asia (such as offshore tax evasion and transfer pricing manipulation), the appropriateness of tax treatment for affiliated artists, and the reality of internal transactions among affiliates.”
The NTS announced today that it will launch a large-scale tax probe into 27 companies linked to stock price manipulation and other irregularities. HYBE is reportedly among the 27. The NTS estimated that the total amount of suspected tax evasion across these firms could reach 1 trillion KRW (719 million USD), with a substantial portion believed to be linked to HYBE.

Source: https://www.allkpop.com/article/202...on-into-hybe-by-the-seoul-regional-tax-office

 

[RandAlThor]

crazy .. separate issue but fun times playing fast and loose.

Far better to never go public.

 

[catonkatonk]

3. Massive revenue underreporting: From 2.178 trillion KRW (1.57 billion USD) to just 2.1 billion KRW (1.5 million USD)
HYBE allegedly underreported annual sales by 1,000 times... paid 120 million KRW less in waste charges.

That's crazy. Especially because their revenue is already gigantic? It was their profits that were tiny.... Because HYBE America was losing like a $100milli a year. I dunno what their financials are like now. But... There's no way they underreported revenue by a thousand times right? Why would they even do that? To avoid paying dividends?

Financial Supervisory Service says HYBE responded, "We weren't aware of the disclosure standard."

An absolutely bonkers thing for a company of that size to say.

All domestic labels under HYBE, except Big Hit Music, pay HYBE fees for music distribution, services, and other costs, functioning as a kind of “tuition fee” for artist training.

ADOR, home to NewJeans (debuted 2021), paid 15.7 billion KRW (11.3 million USD) last year, more than five times HYBE’s recognized internal revenue from them (3.1 billion KRW (2.23 million USD)). Source Music, which manages LE SSERAFIM (debuted 2022), paid 11 billion KRW — about three times its recognized internal revenue (3.5 billion KRW (2.52 million USD)).

loll this is some vintage SM hijinks. But again, why though? When SM did this, they were paying LSM's other company, which he had 100% stake over (I think), so basically he could just take the profit for himself. That's not the case with HYBE...

 

[catonkatonk]

Also, these two pieces together...

Now, a legal document has surfaced on the internet, showing that HYBE most likely illegally siphoned off money from NJZ‘s (NewJeans) collaboration with PUBG: Battlegrounds.

The document showed that out of the ₩10.0 billion KRW (about $7.19 million USD) contract fee with Krafton, HYBE’s subsidiary quietly skimmed off around ₩4.10 billion KRW (about $2.95 million USD). But once the company was caught, they issued a correction notice and returned about ₩1.60 billion KRW (about $1.15 million USD). The data shown in the document were consistent with previous reports of HYBE “stealing” from ADOR to inflate the revenue of HYBE IM.

According to some users on community sites, the siphoned-off amount was originally ₩500 million KRW (about $360,000 USD) but increased to 4.1 billion after Min Hee Jin left her post as ADOR’s CEO.

2. ADOR-HYBE IM's fee jumped from 500 million KRW (358,800 USD) to 4.1 billion KRW (2.95 million USD) after Min Hee Jin left.
HYBE IM recognized 4.1 billion KRW in sales through the ADOR-Krafton collaboration. According to the investment banking (IB) industry on the 22nd, the 4.1 billion KRW in internal sales recently disclosed by HYBE IM came from ADOR's collaboration with Krafton on NewJeans-related items. The collaboration, first proposed by Krafton, was formally launched last June after HYBE IM connected ADOR with Krafton. However, this was omitted in HYBE's May 21 forecast disclosure of internal transactions for the year, and was only added recently in a new disclosure.

A HYBE IM representative explained, "The disclosed revenue was recognized from the collaboration between Battlegrounds and NewJeans. We cannot confirm further details beyond the disclosed content."

I'm not sure I understand what is happening here?
The first quote says that the subsidiary skimmed around $3 million. But then it says the data is consistent with reports that HYBE were stealing from Ador.. Which... Is the opposite?
The second quote seems to be talking about the same thing, but is even more confusing.

Either way it looks like whatever stooge they put in place after MHJ was more pliable to shady financial stuff?

 

[RandAlThor]

Also, these two pieces together...





I'm not sure I understand what is happening here?
The first quote says that the subsidiary skimmed around $3 million. But then it says the data is consistent with reports that HYBE were stealing from Ador.. Which... Is the opposite?
The second quote seems to be talking about the same thing, but is even more confusing.

Either way it looks like whatever stooge they put in place after MHJ was more pliable to shady financial stuff?

ifrc it was teh head of HR always a company stooge.

 

[Selfmate]

Also, these two pieces together...





I'm not sure I understand what is happening here?
The first quote says that the subsidiary skimmed around $3 million. But then it says the data is consistent with reports that HYBE were stealing from Ador.. Which... Is the opposite?
The second quote seems to be talking about the same thing, but is even more confusing.

Either way it looks like whatever stooge they put in place after MHJ was more pliable to shady financial stuff?

the government department is investigating alleged syphoning of the funds and that's the relevant part to ador and NJZ @RandAlThor
obviously the other financial issues are indirectly relevant...

If there is syphoning of the funds then that's more of a reason to claim contract breach since the evidence will be more clear

 

[Abeamus]

It's worth noting that I don't think any new evidence can be used in the NewJeans case since it would not have gone through the period where Hybe can respond so NewJeans has to win based solely on the evidence available at the time of contract termination in that case

 

[LoveYooShaSha]

It's worth noting that I don't think any new evidence can be used in the NewJeans case since it would not have gone through the period where Hybe can respond so NewJeans has to win based solely on the evidence available at the time of contract termination in that case

But isn't the next step in NJZ v. ADOR/HYBE post-injunction so the appeal has been exhausted in the injunction stage n moving on to the lawsuit which hasn't been started yet since HYBE/ADOR kept delaying it, so it seems to hv backfired if it hasn't been delayed all the evidence might hv been introduced but now the new investigation into HYBE embezzlement of ADOR might be entered into evidence or then it might be appealed later if it's not introduced?

Too many/much confusion in my head with the South Korea legal system being different from anything non korean lawyers might be fully familiar with. 🤔

 

[Abeamus]

But isn't the next step in NJZ v. ADOR/HYBE post-injunction so the appeal has been exhausted in the injunction stage n moving on to the lawsuit which hasn't been started yet since HYBE/ADOR kept delaying it, so it seems to hv backfired if it hasn't been delayed all the evidence might hv been introduced but now the new investigation into HYBE embezzlement of ADOR might be entered into evidence or then it might be appealed later if it's not introduced?

Too many/much confusion in my head with the South Korea legal system being different from anything non korean lawyers might be fully familiar with. 🤔

The contract validation case is still going but I'm under the impression the next hearing is the last so if this affected NewJeans at a level where Hybe could be personally held responsible they'd be better waiting till after the contract is validated or invalidated then making their move then.