aespa's un visit was a mere waste of time (1 Viewer)

[cocomelon]

now firstly, it was a highly political forum so i really don't get the point of inviting aespa over there.

now i will admit, i'm not aware completely what the metaverse is, but it is known to have harmful effects on the enviroment, so how is it related to Sustainable Development?

this was merely a mediaplay stunt by sm and they just wanted to promote aespa's concept with no real backbone objective of this interaction.

moreover, i don't get inviting aespa there. i get why they invited bts, because they're the biggest band right now, with fans going into millions. meanwhile, aespa has a very small fanbase comparitively.

not to mention, the speaker, giselle is known for being ignorant and hurtful to communities so her speaking, it just really makes me question the validity of this organisation that is so called United Nations.​

 

[eclipsoul]

tbh i don't really see the point in expecting celebrities to be political activists in general. like i see literally no connection between sustainable development and kwangya kosmo naevis whatever smcu got going on... just focus on the music

 

[Nina]

sooooooooooo the talk is about the harms of the metaverse on the environment

and the speakers are a girl group whose entire concept revolved around a virtual world.

 

[cocomelon]

tbh i don't really see the point in expecting celebrities to be political activists in general. like i see literally no connection between sustainable development and kwangya kosmo naevis whatever smcu got going on... just focus on the music

sm's forcing aespa into the western market in every possible way.

 

[Nina]

oh wait my bad
they're talking about metaverse eventually mirroring the real world if people want a sustainable world
Sooooooo the people who invited them are just dumb arent aware of this

now i will admit, i'm not aware completely what the metaverse is, but it is known to have harmful effects on the enviroment, so how is it related to Sustainable Development?

to then invite said popular girl group with a whole virtual reality concept, that then leads to more people wanting a metaverse, until we are all living in the world of Wall-E

 

[cocomelon]

oh wait my bad
they're talking about metaverse eventually mirroring the real world if people want a sustainable world
Sooooooo the people who invited them are just dumb arent aware of this

to then invite said popular girl group with a whole virtual reality concept, that then leads to more people wanting a metaverse, until we are all living in the world of Wall-E

sm fed them good money.

 

[Nina]

sm fed them good money.

neverending bribery cycle

 

[LoveYooShaSha]

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now firstly, it was a highly political forum so i really don't get the point of inviting aespa over .
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moreover, i don't get inviting aespa there. i get why they invited bts, because they're the biggest band right now, with fans going into millions. meanwhile, aespa has a very small fanbase comparitively.

not to mention, the speaker, giselle is known for being ignorant and hurtful to communities so her speaking, it just really makes me question the validity of this organisation that is so called United Nations.​

Millions of fans who overlook the CA of their Oppas, who are actual grown ass adult millionaires who can afford to educate themselves, while aespa are rookies who (as a fan/MY) i think hv been saddled with an over-ambitious concept that i think Lee Soo Man nor the producers/SM creatives know how to evolve KWANGYA-they just learned the surface aspects of the Cyberpunk-verse without rooting in the depths of William Gibson, Bruce Sterling, Rudy Rucker or Neal Stephenson. But i dont expect them to go beyond copying the Matrix, Johnny Mnemonic or Akira, Ghost in the Shell (oav).

If u want to drag aespa/ur nemesis-just directly drag her rather than repeat ur disdain for her transgressions. You can ignore aespa, ya know.

I silently agreed with ur complaint tat she transgressed n dint apologise when she shd hv. But when fans Oppas do far worse without consequences, idk wat-u expect MYs to be more judgemental than other fandoms? I can only hope tat she doesnt trangress again. Tat she has smh learnt from her mistakes. If not, i will evaluate her actions according to my own personal beliefs, not as u or others might want. If tat makes u want to block me, so be it.

FSM be with u always.

 

[cocomelon]

If u want to drag aespa/ur nemesis-just directly drag her rather than repeat ur disdain for her transgressions. You can ignore aespa, ya know.

i'm not dragging giselle. i'm just saying she was far from appropriate to speak on a platform that high and important.

i don't hate aespa. neither do i hate giselle. i only dislike her.

 

[cocomelon]

If not, i will evaluate her actions according to my own personal beliefs, not as u or others might want

you can. but when there comes the issue of hurting a community, only the community members' opinions and views matter.

 

[cocomelon]

Millions of fans who overlook the CA of their Oppas, who are actual grown ass adult millionaires who can afford to educate themselves, while aespa are rookies who (as a fan/MY) i think hv been saddled with an over-ambitious concept that i think Lee Soo Man nor the producers/SM creatives know how to evolve KWANGYA-they just learned the surface aspects of the Cyberpunk-verse without rooting in the depths of William Gibson, Bruce Sterling, Rudy Rucker or Neal Stephenson. But i dont expect them to go beyond copying the Matrix, Johnny Mnemonic or Akira, Ghost in the Shell (oav).

If u want to drag aespa/ur nemesis-just directly drag her rather than repeat ur disdain for her transgressions. You can ignore aespa, ya know.

I silently agreed with ur complaint tat she transgressed n dint apologise when she shd hv. But when fans Oppas do far worse without consequences, idk wat-u expect MYs to be more judgemental than other fandoms? I can only hope tat she doesnt trangress again. Tat she has smh learnt from her mistakes. If not, i will evaluate her actions according to my own personal beliefs, not as u or others might want. If tat makes u want to block me, so be it.

FSM be with u always.

this seems blatantly ignorant to what i really felt and spoke about giselle in that thread you know. you being passive aggressive also isn't helping the case.

 

[LoveYooShaSha]

i'm not dragging giselle. i'm just saying she was far from appropriate to speak on a platform that high and important.

i don't hate aespa. neither do i hate giselle. i only dislike her.

Ur dislike n focusing on ur disdain for her trangressions against specific communities diffuses ur point tat aespa/SM/KWANGYA purveyors are inappropriate advocates for sustainability, but i dont see Matt Damon or other crypto-bros/advocates who are using up millions of times more GW of energy to generate sinking/fraudulent crypto-Ponzi schemes being held to account by mainstream media.

Just focus on the direct drawbacks without bringing up past transgressions. Your bringing up giselle's character is similar(imo) to those who criticised greta thunberg on everything BUT the content of her speech to the UN, her age, her gender, her inexperience.

If you criticise JUST the content and the meat of the matter without bringing your personal criticism of side issues, id say you hv grown and agree with your point but as it is, your point is deflected by your personal bias against the speaker, such tat i cant engage with you on most of the salient aspects of the speech. Because you derail your main argument.

 

[cocomelon]

Matt Damon or other crypto-bros/advocates who are using up millions of times more GW of energy to generate sinking/fraudulent crypto-Ponzi schemes being held to account by mainstream media.

what does this thread or i have to do with this? i literally don't know about this matter or can't control mainstream media.

 

[cocomelon]

Ur dislike n focusing on ur disdain for her trangressions against specific communities diffuses ur point tat aespa/SM/KWANGYA purveyors are inappropriate advocates for sustainability, but i dont see Matt Damon or other crypto-bros/advocates who are using up millions of times more GW of energy to generate sinking/fraudulent crypto-Ponzi schemes being held to account by mainstream media.

Just focus on the direct drawbacks without bringing up past transgressions. Your bringing up giselle's character is similar(imo) to those who criticised greta thunberg on everything BUT the content of her speech to the UN, her age, her gender, her inexperience.

If you criticise JUST the content and the meat of the matter without bringing your personal criticism of side issues, id say you hv grown and agree with your point but as it is, your point is deflected by your personal bias against the speaker, such tat i cant engage with you on most of the salient aspects of the speech. Because you derail your main argument.

i think my point was very much related to what i said. and i would very much like if a non-poc and non-black person would stop telling me where to criticise giselle and where to not.

 

[cocomelon]

Just focus on the direct drawbacks without bringing up past transgressions

why shouldn't I? they're not derailing. i'm just giving some context.

 

[LoveYooShaSha]

you can. but when there comes the issue of hurting a community, only the community members' opinions and views matter.

Therefore i hvnt commented on ur rightfully justified hurt.

If tats passive aggressive then idk how to tell u not to conflate 2 matters tat hv nthg to do with the issue at hand, aespa/giselle's speech at the UN on sustainabilty.

i think my point was very much related to what i said. and i would very much like if a non-poc and non-black person would stop telling me where to criticise giselle and where to not.

Sustainabilty affects EVERYONE, if only Buddha is pure enough to speak on it i fear more for the future of the Earth and you who inherit it than i already do.

Pls tell me in your opinion who is virtuous enought to speak on sustainabilty at the U.N. then?

why shouldn't I? they're not derailing. i'm just giving some context.

The context ur giving me is tat u'd rather focus on past transgressions than future bridge-building. You could just focus on the content rather the personal flaws of the person giving the speech. Im speaking to a non-listening wall.

 

[cocomelon]

Pls tell me in your opinion who is virtuous enought to speak on sustainabilty at the U.N. then?

someone who has a good knowledge of politics and world's state. and even if not that, an artist who has a clean background, unhurtful to any community.

 

[cocomelon]

2 matters tat hv nthg to do with the issue at hand, aespa/giselle's speech at the UN on sustainabilty.

giselle's past behaviour which was hurtful makes her unfit to speak at the UN.

its really that simple. the relation is there.

 

[cocomelon]

Therefore i hvnt commented on ur rightfully justified hurt.

If tats passive aggressive then idk how to tell u not to conflate 2 matters tat hv nthg to do with the issue at hand, aespa/giselle's speech at the UN on sustainabilty.


Sustainabilty affects EVERYONE, if only Buddha is pure enough to speak on it i fear more for the future of the Earth and you who inherit it than i already do.

Pls tell me in your opinion who is virtuous enought to speak on sustainabilty at the U.N. then?


The context ur giving me is tat u'd rather focus on past transgressions than future bridge-building. You could just focus on the content rather the personal flaws of the person giving the speech. Im speaking to a non-listening wall.

im fucking sick of this, yes i will focus on past transgressions because it hurt people and we still didn't get an apology, we're mad and we have every right to criticise her. i'm criticising her not hating on her like a mindless troll. you're talking about building bridges, but with who? the same girl who hasn't learnt from her past mistakes and couldn't do the least to apologise? and you're out here dragging buddha into this whole mess.

 

[cocomelon]

Im speaking to a non-listening wall.

if this is directed to me i don't even know if you can have a mature discussion or not.