as a blink im upset (1 Viewer)

[MK3AM]

about the girls saying the N-word, idk if they r real but lets assume it is even if it was a while ago, i do think they should apologize the Black people

 

[StirFriedPanda]

Soooo not commenting on this. Arg... damnit... Stupid Panda and my lack of self control.

At a certain point being offended is a choice. Also, don't be offended on behalf of black people. They have their own voice. Context matters, whether anyone likes it or not. I give zero fucks if someone says the word in music because its used in music (especially rap) so much. @Selfmate is there a derogatory word for panda?! I need to rage!

 

[StirFriedPanda]

And blinks are always upset...

 

[The_LastRomeo]

AS a black person lets be real... Are they really gonna apologize? It was long ago and they were (and probably still are) dumb, I HIGHLY doubt they will address this, AND considering it was said as song lyrics and not directed at person I don't think they should apologize for "being racist", they should apologize for saying it y'know?

 

[dark_tranquility]

Maybe they will shunned like oliver peck was.
Cut him out on all of ink master for black face

 

[Somnia]

Is this because of that idiot cosplaying as that YG leaker? Because that person pretends to be and ex employee of YG yet lists he has over 200TB data of JYPe and only 90TB of data from YG itself. I got pissed off yesterday because my twitter feed was flooded with random accounts that looked like bots who all started to spazz out and share random things of that YG leaker. I couldn't find any posts anymore of accounts I actually follow. Imagine saving old clips then act like he leaks it when they have been out for years probably because I've seen the Jennie video a long time ago and I don't work at YG so...

 

[Selfmate]

there is so much nuance to this but I'll leave this that I wrote in 2021

During my time here and on the old forums, its come to my attention that a lot of the issues surrounding certain topics boils down to knowledge. What one knows, what one doesn't know, what one ought to know etc.

So what is knowledge: a quick google search

facts, information, and skills acquired through experience or education; the theoretical or practical understanding of a subject.

Why is knowledge so important here - because of the "megathreads" - most of them are on controversial subjects such as racism, cultural appropriation, Sowon/WW2/Hitler, 2nd gen v 3rd gen v 4th gen etc - the issue that is common in all these is (I believe) knowledge

I'm not even going to go into detail about the various types of knowledge - like a priori or a posteriori knowledge - that's beyond the scope of a kpop forum

lets just keep it simple about knowledge that we think others should know.

Many things shape our knowledge:
our background, social economic status, education level, culture, intelligence, societal norms and values, peer group etc.
Those things affect our actual knowledge - from there is it possible to determine what one ought to know about?

A pygmy living in the Amazon jungle has no actual knowledge of the internet, running water or toilet and therefore we don't judge him for not knowing.

A teenager/adult born in the 21st century should know about their country's history, climate change, COVID etc or do they?

Because we are all shaped differently our levels of knowledge vastly differ between genders, ethnicities, countries - hell a twin studying in the same year and same class in the same city could have vastly different levels of knowledge to each other.

Therefore if we are so different why are there certain aspects of knowledge that everyone should know and if they don't what do we do about it.

The consequences of lack of knowledge - do we cancel them, do they have to apologise profusely and make recompense, do they have to go into hiding and mediate on the issue, do they lose their job or stop being an idol or get their entire MV taken down, that is also a very interesting topic but for another day.

What I will end on is who is to determine what one should or ought to know - is it simple ignorance? or arrogance? or something more severe? do we then judge someone based on things that they ought to have known because we believe they should know it. Those things that we know were shaped by our experiences and factors listed above - do we then impart that on others and say hey you should know this too. Vice versa what if others judge us for things that we don't know but they believe we ought to know?

 

[pinkmelodies]

Speaking as a black person, I have already been mad about it the first time. Right now I am at the point where it's been done, they said it and there's nothing we can do about it. They are not going to come out with an apology anytime soon. It's still beyond ignorant and disappointing

 

[lexus]

I'm honestly disappointed in them too. I doubt there will even be an apology, but they still need to own up to their wrongdoings somehow

 

[MK3AM]

Soooo not commenting on this. Arg... damnit... Stupid Panda and my lack of self control.

At a certain point being offended is a choice. Also, don't be offended on behalf of black people. They have their own voice. Context matters, whether anyone likes it or not. I give zero fucks if someone says the word in music because its used in music (especially rap) so much. @Selfmate is there a derogatory word for panda?! I need to rage!

im not offended its not my right to be offended the only people that can are black people ik nor would i be offended on someones behalf that its disapointment it happens so many times youd think they would learn im not denying it doesnt context 100% does but with the meaning of the N word its important theres a reason why no one but black people can use it

 

[MK3AM]

AS a black person lets be real... Are they really gonna apologize? It was long ago and they were (and probably still are) dumb, I HIGHLY doubt they will address this, AND considering it was said as song lyrics and not directed at person I don't think they should apologize for "being racist", they should apologize for saying it y'know?

i do know and i agreethey werent saying it to someone but singing the lyrics beacuse i think 2/3 knew the word back then?

 

[MK3AM]

Maybe they will shunned like oliver peck was.
Cut him out on all of ink master for black face

no they wont

 

[MK3AM]

Is this because of that idiot cosplaying as that YG leaker? Because that person pretends to be and ex employee of YG yet lists he has over 200TB data of JYPe and only 90TB of data from YG itself. I got pissed off yesterday because my twitter feed was flooded with random accounts that looked like bots who all started to spazz out and share random things of that YG leaker. I couldn't find any posts anymore of accounts I actually follow. Imagine saving old clips then act like he leaks it when they have been out for years probably because I've seen the Jennie video a long time ago and I don't work at YG so...

like i said above even if its real bc i dont belive that YG person was a worker but a sasange

 

[MK3AM]

there is so much nuance to this but I'll leave this that I wrote in 2021

During my time here and on the old forums, its come to my attention that a lot of the issues surrounding certain topics boils down to knowledge. What one knows, what one doesn't know, what one ought to know etc.

So what is knowledge: a quick google search

facts, information, and skills acquired through experience or education; the theoretical or practical understanding of a subject.

Why is knowledge so important here - because of the "megathreads" - most of them are on controversial subjects such as racism, cultural appropriation, Sowon/WW2/Hitler, 2nd gen v 3rd gen v 4th gen etc - the issue that is common in all these is (I believe) knowledge

I'm not even going to go into detail about the various types of knowledge - like a priori or a posteriori knowledge - that's beyond the scope of a kpop forum

lets just keep it simple about knowledge that we think others should know.

Many things shape our knowledge:
our background, social economic status, education level, culture, intelligence, societal norms and values, peer group etc.
Those things affect our actual knowledge - from there is it possible to determine what one ought to know about?

A pygmy living in the Amazon jungle has no actual knowledge of the internet, running water or toilet and therefore we don't judge him for not knowing.

A teenager/adult born in the 21st century should know about their country's history, climate change, COVID etc or do they?

Because we are all shaped differently our levels of knowledge vastly differ between genders, ethnicities, countries - hell a twin studying in the same year and same class in the same city could have vastly different levels of knowledge to each other.

Therefore if we are so different why are there certain aspects of knowledge that everyone should know and if they don't what do we do about it.

The consequences of lack of knowledge - do we cancel them, do they have to apologise profusely and make recompense, do they have to go into hiding and mediate on the issue, do they lose their job or stop being an idol or get their entire MV taken down, that is also a very interesting topic but for another day.

What I will end on is who is to determine what one should or ought to know - is it simple ignorance? or arrogance? or something more severe? do we then judge someone based on things that they ought to have known because we believe they should know it. Those things that we know were shaped by our experiences and factors listed above - do we then impart that on others and say hey you should know this too. Vice versa what if others judge us for things that we don't know but they believe we ought to know?

2/3 girls knew what they were saying i belive they were born out of Korea and ive accidentky said the B word not knowing the meaning i apoligized and thats all really if you apoligize its someone saying they will learn and be better

 

[MK3AM]

Speaking as a black person, I have already been mad about it the first time. Right now I am at the point where it's been done, they said it and there's nothing we can do about it. They are not going to come out with an apology anytime soon. It's still beyond ignorant and disappointing

which is sad and i also want to say bc someone thought I was feeling offended for yall im not im also disapointed bc they know better and the history behind it

 

[MK3AM]

I'm honestly disappointed in them too. I doubt there will even be an apology, but they still need to own up to their wrongdoings somehow

thats how i feel but alot of blinks are trying to defend them like if u defend people like that it makes them as bad

 

[velvet]

Soooo not commenting on this. Arg... damnit... Stupid Panda and my lack of self control.

At a certain point being offended is a choice. Also, don't be offended on behalf of black people. They have their own voice. Context matters, whether anyone likes it or not. I give zero fucks if someone says the word in music because its used in music (especially rap) so much. @Selfmate is there a derogatory word for panda?! I need to rage!

Being offended isn't a choice, being insensitive and an ass is. Shut your mouth next time.

 

[Selfmate]

2/3 girls knew what they were saying i belive they were born out of Korea and ive accidentky said the B word not knowing the meaning i apoligized and thats all really if you apoligize its someone saying they will learn and be better

again I'm not dismissing any black or african america's views and it is a very complicated siutation with lots and lots of history and systemic issues...

that said so what if jennie and rose studied or lived in Australia/NZ - my argument is was how does one know what they studied and if anything they studied or learned in regards to the N word? why does one attribute supposed knowledge to anybody who grew up differently/different country/different culture etc etc

hmmm...an apology in some situations is also an aknowledgement of wrongdoing (especially if it concerns a legal issue)

 

[Villains]

i'm not shocked like girl... we knew that they're like this

 

[MK3AM]

again I'm not dismissing any black or african america's views and it is a very complicated siutation with lots and lots of history and systemic issues...

that said so what if jennie and rose studied or lived in Australia/NZ - my argument is was how does one know what they studied and if anything they studied or learned in regards to the N word? why does one attribute supposed knowledge to anybody who grew up differently/different country/different culture etc etc

hmmm...an apology in some situations is also an aknowledgement of wrongdoing (especially if it concerns a legal issue)

they know i bealive they did have slaves alot of countires did and im sure people use it who arent black