News Leeteuk says he loves Trump (1 Viewer)

[Belgizen]

The fact that Belgians get slapped with Leopold the 2nd is absurd and shouldn’t happen. I also don’t think it’s relevant, because as I said, it shouldn’t happen. I don’t see how that’s a sign someone needs to have no opposition to a kpop idols visiting the US and screaming about how they like Trump, when they live in the country where he’s the president.

The thing with Suju getting more hate is true, yeah. The more controversial stuff you do, the more negative attention it brings. That’s just life. As for getting hate 10 years later it’s true that most groups probably wouldn’t get that much hate, partly because doing a lot of stupid and controversial shit makes you more memorable for it, and partly because few groups reach 10 years anyways and as such don’t live in recent memory for most. Also Suju have always been comparatively big, and big groups get more attention, which also means more hate. But be honest, how many groups are there in kpop that have done as much questionable stuff as Suju? Closest I can think is Big Bang who get more hate than Suju realistically. As for sharing the hate, yeah I’ll agree that any idol who gets on stage and screams about loving trump is at minimum an idiot. I haven't heard any idols doing that, but if you know some feel free to let me know.


I didn’t vote for him. In fact, I voted for no one because there is not a single even fractionally realistic scenario in which my vote has any effect on the result. My state leans heavily blue, and because voting is done by state, that means the democrats win. And it doesn’t matter how many people vote for each, only the winner. And my states not in the minority. In most states, your vote for president is realistically worthless, just as long as the extremes vote (which they will). Which, for the record, happened in Trumps first term election, where he won less votes than Hillary Clinton. Mandatory voting would fix absolutely nothing, not unless there’s a change in the electoral college system itself. So those of us unhappy with Trump have plenty reason to complain, and whether or not we voted isn’t that relevant unless you’re in the minority of states where the outcome wasn’t clear before a single vote was cast.

For the record, I think Leeteuk is more likely just a big cringey idiot than evil. But if your relatively big group does a ton of controversial shit over a long time, are you really surprised that when they do more controversial shit, they get more negative attention than nugu groups with clean track records? It doesn’t necessarily mean that their negative attention is completely proportional to the nugu groups with a clean record, but it also doesn’t mean that any negative attention they get is purely bias towards the group and unwarranted. If you have little knowledge about Trump and his doings (you said that yourself) and don’t live in the US and want to see this as a complete nonissue, go for it. But isn’t it a bit rich to tell people who probably know more about the topic and are more affected by the topic that their anger is misplaced? Like if you don’t know much of anything about it, why do you think you can really justify to others if it’s misplaced or not? The only scenario that makes sense is if you provide a similar example with a similar but different group where this or a similar situation happened and the outcry was nonexistent. If the scenario is only theoretical, it’s kind of hard to say you’re right because it’s imagination.

Oh god this is too much text tbh.
I'm sorry for all your work but I am not reading this letter by letter.
Kpop is free time for me, I'm just here for the music and to connect with other people tbh.
I once again found that I should just stay away from topics like these because it ruins kpop tbh.
All i wanted to do was point out the double standards (there's a group who did blackface and still got big and it was never mentioned again)
My apologies if me trying to defend my point was badly worded.

I stand by my opinion.
I haven't said people's anger isn't misplaced. I've said that people blow this up far more than it has to be.

 

[Ahsoka]

Oh god this is too much text tbh.
I'm sorry for all your work but I am not reading this letter by letter.
Kpop is free time for me, I'm just here for the music and to connect with other people tbh.
I once again found that I should just stay away from topics like these because it ruins kpop tbh.
All i wanted to do was point out the double standards (there's a group who did blackface and still got big and it was never mentioned again)
My apologies if me trying to defend my point was badly worded.

I stand by my opinion.
I haven't said people's anger isn't misplaced. I've said that people blow this up far more than it has to be.

Which group? Mamamoo?

You’ve said the amount of anger is misplaced. Double standards exist of course, this just seems to be a case where there really aren’t any. If anything, I’m surprised how little backlash he got for doing this on a large stage in the US that probably has mostly non Suju fans in the audience if we’re being real. I’d think there would be much more.

 

[Belgizen]

Which group? Mamamoo?

You’ve said the amount of anger is misplaced. Double standards exist of course, this just seems to be a case where there really aren’t any. If anything, I’m surprised how little backlash he got for doing this on a large stage in the US that probably has mostly non Suju fans in the audience if we’re being real. I’d think there would be much more.

Yup
I think people are overreacting, that's what I said.
You're lucky cuz I've only seen brutal comments, hence why I decided to comment on a thread I usually would never comment on.
Good that he doesn't get as much hate for it then.
idk the percentages of which fandom attended so I can't say it's true or not.

I don't feel like continuing this argument anymore so I'll just say you're all right and he deserves the hate.

 

[centen]

This controversy reminds me of some other recent controversies, and I have the same opinion: I'm so over people acting like celebrities are children who couldn't possibly be expected to do better. Surely, 41 is old enough to expect someone to educate themselves on the words that come out of their mouth? At what point does this behavior represent their actual opinion and personality?

You can decide that it doesn't matter for you, but I think there are enough capable artists in the music industry to not want to support people whose beliefs are obviously misaligned with mine.

 

[Abeamus]

Yup
I think people are overreacting, that's what I said.
You're lucky cuz I've only seen brutal comments, hence why I decided to comment on a thread I usually would never comment on.
Good that he doesn't get as much hate for it then.
idk the percentages of which fandom attended so I can't say it's true or not.

I don't feel like continuing this argument anymore so I'll just say you're all right and he deserves the hate.

Mamamoo rightfully got a ton of hate for that with people even trying to twist things they do after the mess as contributing to that narrative despite it being a reach in most cases which I have seen happen with other groups as well so the outrage is definitely there.

 

[Belgizen]

Mamamoo rightfully got a ton of hate for that with people even trying to twist things they do after the mess as contributing to that narrative despite it being a reach in most cases which I have seen happen with other groups as well so the outrage is definitely there.

They got hate for it like the first year. Yesung still gets hate when it happened 10 years ago.
That's the double standard I'm talking about

 

[Abeamus]

They got hate for it like the first year. Yesung still gets hate when it happened 10 years ago.
That's the double standard I'm talking about

I think what you describe is less a double standard and more that Super Junior have fallen out of favour with having fans there to defend them against other fandoms which helps a lot in these cases since Buddies got drowned out during Sowons controversy but Chaeyoungs blew over much faster because Once are a much bigger and more international fandom than Buddies.

 

[Belgizen]

I think what you describe is less a double standard and more that Super Junior have fallen out of favour with having fans there to defend them against other fandoms which helps a lot in these cases since Buddies got drowned out during Sowons controversy but Chaeyoungs blew over much faster because Once are a much bigger and more international fandom than Buddies.

i don't know of that controversy you're talking about
still people are vile towards Suju when they shouldn't be, even when they were at their peak

 

[kisshuhua09baby]

As a hardcore suju hater of 2 years this is barely news to me

 

[shadow]

Wtf

but again suju has always been a problematic group since the beginning so I’m not surprised

 

[eclipsoul]

a trump supporter in suju? fork found in kitchen

how i wish sometimes celebrities simply didn't open their mouths....

 

[lexus]

I'm glad I never stanned this group

 

[princesita]

A suju member expressing right winged beliefs. Wow what a shocker lol. Siwon already expressed his love for Isreal, homophobic beliefs, and love or right winged Americans. Leeteuk himself has also been openly creepy towards underaged female idols/trainees. Not to mention their LONG history of racism, sexism, and colorism. I doubt he's some innocent guy who doesn't know about Trump especially since there was even Korean broadcasts discussing Trump and Koreans themselves were even publicly denouncing him. He's a grown man who knew what he was saying. I genuinely feel like suju should've gotten the kiof treatment YEARS ago.

 

[Selfmate]

interesting

 

[Pirioca]

If he loves Trump, it's his business. But why does he think he needs to tell everyone? He likes shitstorms?

 

[MK3AM]

my fav part was 5 guys