News Min Heejin announces she is leaving Hybe & Labor Ministry rejects Hannis harassment claim (1 Viewer)

[Abeamus]

@Bunnies ​

 

[velvet]

That rejection is the fault of the system, not of Hanni, hope she knows that.

 

[The_LastRomeo]

Finally

 

[Abeamus]

That rejection is the fault of the system, not of Hanni, hope she knows that.

It does sound like they would have sided with Hanni had their contracts been written differently but who wrote NewJeans contracts exactly? I'd have been under the impression they'd have been written by Ador since they were under them for a while before debuting however NewJeans seem to be focused on going after Hybe which makes that odd.

 

[velvet]

It does sound like they would have sided with Hanni had their contracts been written differently but who wrote NewJeans contracts exactly? I'd have been under the impression they'd have been written by Ador since they were under them for a while before debuting however NewJeans seem to be focused on going after Hybe which makes that odd.

Yeah I'm with you. Maybe there are clauses in the contract that protects Hybe from some things, that's the only thing I can really guess.

Edit: the contract classifies Newjeans as not 'entertainers' or 'workers' but as exceptional entities.' I doubt it's only them who are classified as that. That's a loophole that needs to be shut.

NewJeans’ Hanni’s workplace harassment petition dismissed as idols are not ‘workers’ but ‘exceptional entities’ - Asian Junkie

Just before Min Hee Jin announced her resignation from ADOR and that she would be leaving HYBE, it w

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[mysteric]

It does sound like they would have sided with Hanni had their contracts been written differently but who wrote NewJeans contracts exactly? I'd have been under the impression they'd have been written by Ador since they were under them for a while before debuting however NewJeans seem to be focused on going after Hybe which makes that odd.

it's because the way idol contracts are written, they're categorized more like freelancers/contractors than full employees
I'm pretty sure actors are the same which is why they're unionized

 

[Selfmate]

interesting

moves and countermoves

and I've said it all along - idols are the ultimate gig worker - they get paid by so much they bring in

 

[Abeamus]

it's because the way idol contracts are written, they're categorized more like freelancers/contractors than full employees
I'm pretty sure actors are the same which is why they're unionized

I did read about that aspect of it but who wrote NewJeans contracts comes into effect if they're making this big stance alongside Min Heejin and then she wrote their contracts in a way that was exploitative to them as that just means they're playing the same game.

 

[catonkatonk]

interesting

moves and countermoves

and I've said it all along - idols are the ultimate gig worker - they get paid by so much they bring in

But generally one of the benefits of gig work is the lack of commitment.

But apparently idols have to do everything their label tells them for seven entire years and if they want to quit they have to pay a penalty of, it seems, up to many millions.

If I was a regulator, I'd look at that level of labour illiquidity, look at the oligopsony power of the big four and think, "hmm, not sure this is what healthy labour relations look like"

 

[Selfmate]

But generally one of the benefits of gig work is the lack of commitment.

But apparently idols have to do everything their label tells them for seven entire years and if they want to quit they have to pay a penalty of, it seems, up to many millions.

If I was a regulator, I'd look at that level of labour illiquidity, look at the oligopsony power of the big four and think, "hmm, not sure this is what healthy labour relations look like"

but they are under contract so in essence they are a contract worker

I agree they should look at it but ultimately what can they do about it if it's something the parties agree?

I've said it before that I have nothing against kpop contracts even if they are unfair - reason? because the idol agreed to it - every idol should get their own lawyer to fully understand their contracts and if they do then it's informed consent. If you choose not to get a lawyer then you bear whaatever risks. And if one cannot afford a lawyer then one cannot afford to be an idol for (like) 7 years

 

[centen]

Hmm, those are some weasel words for Hanni's harassment claim. They're not saying she wasn't harassed, they're just saying she doesn't count under the Labor Standards Act.