Sensitive My Kpop Opinions (1 Viewer)

[Selfmate]

interesting

I like how the issue is back to "chaeyoung" and her shirt

 

[anyu]

interesting

I like how the issue is back to "chaeyoung" and her shirt

wait why did u put quotes around chaeyoung 😭

 

[StirFriedPanda]

interesting

I like how the issue is back to "chaeyoung" and her shirt

Just glad no one brought up STAYC and the curry song.

 

[Selfmate]

wait why did u put quotes around chaeyoung 😭

I don't know...I'm a pabo I guess lol
I probably shouldn't put it on the "shirt"

 

[Selfmate]

Just glad no one brought up STAYC and the curry song.

I'll post this below since I made an entire three part series about it over on the other side

 

[Selfmate]

This was part one - copy and pasted (from back in 2021)

Why is knowledge so important here - because of the "megathreads" - most of them are on controversial subjects such as racism, cultural appropriation, Sowon/WW2/Hitler, 2nd gen v 3rd gen v 4th gen etc - the issue that is common in all these is (I believe) knowledge

I'm not even going to go into detail about the various types of knowledge - like a priori or a posteriori knowledge - that's beyond the scope of a kpop forum
lets just keep it simple about knowledge that we think others should know.

Many things shape our knowledge:
our background, social economic status, education level, culture, intelligence, societal norms and values, peer group etc.
Those things affect our actual knowledge - from there is it possible to determine what one ought to know about?

A pygmy living in the Amazon jungle has no actual knowledge of the internet, running water or toilet and therefore we don't judge him for not knowing.
A teenager/adult born in the 21st century should know about their country's history, climate change, COVID etc or do they?

Because we are all shaped differently our levels of knowledge vastly differ between genders, ethnicities, countries - hell a twin studying in the same year and same class in the same city could have vastly different levels of knowledge to each other.

Therefore if we are so different why are there certain aspects of knowledge that everyone should know and if they don't what do we do about it.

The consequences of lack of knowledge - do we cancel them, do they have to apologise profusely and make recompense, do they have to go into hiding and mediate on the issue, do they lose their job or stop being an idol or get their entire MV taken down, that is also a very interesting topic but for another day.

What I will end on is who is to determine what one should or ought to know - is it simple ignorance? or arrogance? or something more severe? do we then judge someone based on things that they ought to have known because we believe they should know it. Those things that we know were shaped by our experiences and factors listed above - do we then impart that on others and say hey you should know this too. Vice versa what if others judge us for things that we don't know but they believe we ought to know?

 

[DaisySkies]

Swastika is seen as a symbol of peace in many cultures, but they took it and turned it into a bad symbol even though the original meaning was peace ;-; some people might still view it as a bad symbol, but a lot of countries and cultures don't see it as that and see it as the original symbol, a symbol or peace

 

[ani07]

1. Kep1er will do horrible after disbandment
2. Stop always bringing up death when ppl talk about dead idols
3. Chaeyeon should have never went on Street Woman Fighter
4. Chaeyoung wore a hate symbol

1. I cannot tell how they will be doing, but I think some might have the chance to do well and some will just vanish
2. I agree. I hate it when ppl reduce passed idols to their death only. like can we talk about how great they are? I think this topic can only be understood by fans that actually lost an idol to death
3. I agree, its a dancer show and she clearly went for the attention and not to show her skill. all in all I think she is too overconfident in her own ability
4. thats sth thats not okay. I agree that ppl should know about this stuff by now, but sadly asia is no uneducated when it comes to the nazi regime

 

[kisshuhua09baby]

agreed
im jewish as well as a chaeyoung stan and it highkey pisses me off how people speaking FOR us get their voices to be heard more than us
in many places, knowledge of the holocaust/wwII is abundant, and in many, it's minimal. each country has different ways to present history. some were not very included and don't find it incredibly important to teach, and though i disagree with that, i won't deny it.
in asia the hindu peace symbol is much more culturally prominent than the swastika, and it's not crazy to assume she believed that it was the hindu peace symbol

anyway tl;dr stop speaking for us, please understand that jews are not damsels in distress that must be protected by writing hate comments to a korean girl. hating on chaeyoung when we genuinely do not have enough information to see if shes antisemitic or not just makes jews look bad n we dont need any more of that lmao 💀

sorry for such a long post, it makes me angry when goys defame chaeyoung
also this is not directed at anyone in this thread specifically, just what ive been thinking for a while. pls dont hate me for this lol

edited to add: the apology was probably written by her company. idols' entire presence is controlled by their companies ESPECIALLY in times of controversy

here are the symbol & swastika next to each other to show how she may have gotten confused, it's just a swastika on its side

I'm only seeing this reply recently so I just want to put it out there that while I did come off a bit aggressive in my post, I DO NOT promote harassment of Chaeyoung but just wish people would see the real weight of what she did

 

[Pirioca]

There's a really good youtube video that goes over the history of the swastika but of course I can't find it.

Maybe this one?

 

[anyu]

I'm only seeing this reply recently so I just want to put it out there that while I did come off a bit aggressive in my post, I DO NOT promote harassment of Chaeyoung but just wish people would see the real weight of what she did

wearing a swastika has weight and im not saying to forgive and forget but theres no need to use violent language against chaeyoung and accuse her of being antisemitic when you dont know her, especially if youre a goy (not fully directed at u btw im just angry bc i see lots of people doing this online)

 

[kisshuhua09baby]

wearing a swastika has weight and im not saying to forgive and forget but theres no need to use violent language against chaeyoung and accuse her of being antisemitic when you dont know her, especially if youre a goy (not fully directed at u btw im just angry bc i see lots of people doing this online)

I agree and ofc I don't wanna assume she's an antisemite because we don't know her that well but some people were just straight up saying wearing a swastika isn't an issue at all and that's mostly the people 4 is targeted at. But as a goy I'm aware my opinion on this isn't more important than jews