Seungri case (1 Viewer)

[dooh]

i really want you to watch the whole video before you comment, i am really confused as it is
As many know, i am always neutral to all, i know media isnt that much trustworthy

Are we being fooled.. ( starting this thread, cuz of recent rumors about TOP )

PLEASE serious comments, it must be something in between, true or not true



edit:

Spoiler: another vid bit older

 

[Ahsoka]

I have a hard time believing that everyone around Seungri is guilty and he is 100% innocent. YG, JJY, Jonghoon, that highlight member, all the Big Bang members broke the law, other YG members (Bom BI, Han Seo Hee), everyone else in the groupchat, ect.
Sure the media doesnt always speak the truth but to say that it never speaks the truth is so wrong. By that reasoning Jonghoon and JJY, who are both in jail, are innocent because the media said they were wrong.
The fact that the person who exposed them has broken the law has nothing to do with Seungris case.
They're basing so much off the fact that the police didn't find anything, when we all know that the police there is incredibly corrupt. I trust the media more tbh, the media faces consequences for misinformation while the police rarely does.
then when you look at what people around Seungri have said about him, such as the Big Bang members talking about being worried about what he's doing and the people he hangs out with. Which includes the song GD wrote but also includes interviews with all the members.
So yeah I don't think hes innocent. Not at all. Of course his fans would love for him to be innocent but they're not exactly a reliable unbiased source lol. Theyre the exact opposite.

 

[blueberries]

So it is rly hard to get non-biased information about whole thing right now cause it's covered mostly by his fans and then haters instead of any neutral party or someone even trying to stay neutral.

Now the news outlets definitely used Seungri and painted him as the main guy since the start, because he's in Big Bang. This was the way to get most clicks to articles. That doesn't mean he is innocent, but it does mean that he got most of the heat and heat from things that other people did not him and that guy speaks of some of those instances and extra stuff like the Halloween costume and GD's song lyrics that were just speculation.

But he doesn't rly cover all the points like the Katalks and such. One of biggest still is that they confirmed that the Katalk messages about prostitution were legit messages sent by Seungri. I'm not sure if they are unable to prove that these were indeed talking about prostitution and not sth else though, I mean in face of justice system. The information flow has kinda stopped since summer too so there is not much translated information to go through either. I mean apart from gambling accusations and who even cares about those and Korea's screwed up system about gambling.

I don't believe nth criminal went on in Burning sun, they had so many people arrested and accused of prostitution, secret filming and selling and using drugs. What was Seungri's part in that I don't know. In terms of Seungri and prostitution the Katalks are still pretty damning, but i just don't think police has found other evidence than those or at least hard evidence? In other hand what isn't criminal, but still rly wrong morally for me is that Seungri knew about his friend group being mixed with secret filming, but he kept hanging out with these guys and inviting them to parties. One of the women was raped in Seungri's party by one of guy in this friend group.

 

[yeji]

It‘s just unbelievable that he is 100% innocent. Media may potray it bigger than it was but there are just so many sketchy things.

 

[VillageIdiot]

I really wasn't great at keeping up with Electric Chairgate but VIPs saying that there is no evidence against Seungri means absolutely nothing because of why there's none.
Seungri had months to destroy evidence and the police were laughably slow when it came to investigating him and Yang.
It's forever going to be that he did something, but we'll never know what or to what extent.

I'd say in-between. He definitely ain't innocent but at least he isn't a rapist ig.

 

[VillageIdiot]

at least he isn't a rapist ig.

I really hope that this won't be something said as a silver lining in 2020
This year was a shitshow

 

[yeji]

I really wasn't great at keeping up with Electric Chairgate but VIPs saying that there is no evidence against Seungri means absolutely nothing because of why there's none.
Seungri had months to destroy evidence and the police were laughably slow when it came to investigating him and Yang.
It's forever going to be that he did something, but we'll never know what or to what extent.

I'd say in-between. He definitely ain't innocent but at least he isn't a rapist ig.

exactly my thoughts.

 

[VillageIdiot]

exactly my thoughts.

Records and sales are meant to be surpassed but I don't think there will ever be a group that overcome BB in scandals
It's honestly amazing

 

[yeji]

Records and sales are meant to be surpassed but I don't think there will ever be a group that overcome BB in scandals
It's honestly amazing

yeah think so too. At least not how big all those scandals are.

 

[Sourcekeeper]

He was caught for the messages & he is guilty for that, but there is one thing i find weird, the burning sun case, one of the media outlet initially said he owned the club, but later on i think he was just an investor. I have some friends who invest in businesses and there is a clear distinction between owners and investors, like they dont even come check the business location, only like check once in a while.

Edit - I think i read somewhere YHS was involved in the club but it turned out untrue.

 

[Poetry]

I have a hard time believing that everyone around Seungri is guilty and he is 100% innocent. YG, JJY, Jonghoon, that highlight member, all the Big Bang members broke the law, other YG members (Bom BI, Han Seo Hee), everyone else in the groupchat, ect.
Sure the media doesnt always speak the truth but to say that it never speaks the truth is so wrong. By that reasoning Jonghoon and JJY, who are both in jail, are innocent because the media said they were wrong.
The fact that the person who exposed them has broken the law has nothing to do with Seungris case.
They're basing so much off the fact that the police didn't find anything, when we all know that the police there is incredibly corrupt. I trust the media more tbh, the media faces consequences for misinformation while the police rarely does.
then when you look at what people around Seungri have said about him, such as the Big Bang members talking about being worried about what he's doing and the people he hangs out with. Which includes the song GD wrote but also includes interviews with all the members.
So yeah I don't think hes innocent. Not at all. Of course his fans would love for him to be innocent but they're not exactly a reliable unbiased source lol. Theyre the exact opposite.

Just to clarify: Han Seohee was allegedly a Pledis trainee. She just hung around guys from different labels.

 

[Abeamus]

I don't think you could possibly get wrapped up in a case like that and be innocent, you simply don't fall into a crowd like this and not know what they're doing, at best it'd be a very poor sense of judgment from Seungri and at worst which is more likely is that he helped.

 

[DrowningFishy]

I never liked taht reporter to begin with she seriously was shady.

That said you should never trust one source. When you're dealing with something like this you look for things that remain consistent. I don't think Seungri is fully guilty, nor do I think he's fully innocent. I do believe YG is more guilty of more things then Seungri. When it comes down to it, when sht hits the fan and there is a celebrity name attached to it everyone is going to point the finger at the celebrity. Screw the small fry lets roast the celebrity.

 

[dooh]

uff i thought people would roast me for this thread, dodged , god i love this forum so much.

I never liked that reporter to begin with she seriously was shady.

That said you should never trust one source. When you're dealing with something like this you look for things that remain consistent. I don't think Seungri is fully guilty, nor do I think he's fully innocent. I do believe YG is more guilty of more things then Seungri. When it comes down to it, when sht hits the fan and there is a celebrity name attached to it everyone is going to point the finger at the celebrity. Screw the small fry lets roast the celebrity.

pretty much sums up what i also think about this whole situation.
i should still stay neutral, i have to admit, noticing me tending into one side, never good.

 

[blueberries]

He was caught for the messages & he is guilty for that, but there is one thing i find weird, the burning sun case, one of the media outlet initially said he owned the club, but later on i think he was just an investor. I have some friends who invest in businesses and there is a clear distinction between owners and investors, like they dont even come check the business location, only like check once in a while.

Edit - I think i read somewhere YHS was involved in the club but it turned out untrue.

Well Seungri was one of owners of Burning Sun, but he mostly dealt with promotion of the club and not daily activities within the club. I don't think with him there was as clear distinction between owner and investor, but it does seem he mostly led others to take care of the club as well as his other business since he had like dozen around East-Asia.

YHS for my knowledge wasn't involved with Burning Sun (I think this is common misconception, people claim that Burning Sun is YGE's club when it's only link to YG is Seungri), but he did have other clubs and Seungri was involved with one of those as well. I think there was some tax issue with that club, but can't remember anymore xd

 

[DrowningFishy]

uff i thought people would roast me for this thread, dodged , god i love this forum so much.



pretty much sums up what i also think about this whole situation.
i should still stay neutral, i have to admit, noticing me tending into one side, never good.

In few cases tending to one side is just fine. Sometimes people just say or do things to tip the scales no news needed.

Back to Seungri's case, do you think Seungri could have gathered that many connections and contacts to do everything he was accused of. I could think of someone close to him who could, and had influence over Seungri. But not SEungri, as charismatic as Seungri was he had to had help or a push. Either way Seungri's body language spoke plenty on how he viewed his charges and the outocme.

 

[Ahsoka]

Just to clarify: Han Seohee was allegedly a Pledis trainee. She just hung around guys from different labels.

From what I see she was a trainee at a ton on companies, including Jellyfish, Pledis, YG, Source Music, and possibly JYP. I dont know if theyre all true but thats just what Ive found.

 

[Darkseid]

Too much shit has gone down for me to believe Seungri is completely innocent. Now the media did make him the face of the scandal, true. And by extension, every crime committed by people involved get pinned on him. For instance, I don't think he raped anyone or filmed molka videos like JJY did. Apparently there were a lot of chatrooms and by all accounts, it looks like Seungri wasn't in the one where these videos were shared, although he was in a different chatroom with JJY.

However, was he unaware of this? I don't think so. From what I can gather, it looks like Seungri is definitely guilty of stuff like police bribery, gambling and arranging escorts for foreign investors. While he may not have directly partaken in some of the acts his friends did, it's impossible to believe he was completely in the dark. Of course, finding hard evidence will be near impossible. If anything, he's more likely to be indicted on gambling or tax evasion charges since there will be a money trail, which is easier to trace.

 

[Yoohyeon]

I have a hard time to believe he's innocent, especially when so many people know what he's like:

 

[DrowningFishy]

Too much shit has gone down for me to believe Seungri is completely innocent. Now the media did make him the face of the scandal, true. And by extension, every crime committed by people involved get pinned on him. For instance, I don't think he raped anyone or filmed molka videos like JJY did. Apparently there were a lot of chatrooms and by all accounts, it looks like Seungri wasn't in the one where these videos were shared, although he was in a different chatroom with JJY.

However, was he unaware of this? I don't think so. From what I can gather, it looks like Seungri is definitely guilty of stuff like police bribery, gambling and arranging escorts for foreign investors. While he may not have directly partaken in some of the acts his friends did, it's impossible to believe he was completely in the dark. Of course, finding hard evidence will be near impossible. If anything, he's more likely to be indicted on gambling or tax evasion charges since there will be a money trail, which is easier to trace.

JJY, Jonghyun and Seungri where all close friends that all hung quite a bit. There is zero chance that Seungri had no clue what was going on. I do believe that Seungri was at least that smart not to record anything or leave a trail when it came to misadventures... ... The choking scandal aside. In that light if he knew, and was actually troubled by JJY and Jonghyun's behavior, why the fudge didn't he act sooner? IMHO Seungri knew, didn't care, and at minimual asked the guys not to include him