Todays liberal society is hurtling towards catastrophe and not for reasons you think (1 Viewer)

[maruberry]

Todays society in places like america and basically all liberal areas is going to end in catastrophe
We are approaching a rise of USSR-esque rules.

Not because of conservatives, not because of racists or sexists.....
But bcs of the anti-racists, bcs of the feminists and because of the rising marxist agenda, even if most of the todays marxists aren't aware that their ideals and ideas ARE just that.... marxist.

How did the USSR come to be? Because the "oppressed" class overthrew the government and put in a system where their way is the only right way.
What is todays world heading towards? "Woke" people overthrowing the government and making it so that their way is the only right way.

How often do you see the anti-racist, feminist people of today agree that the conservative party should have the right to rule as well. Maybe even you yourself have thought that the people oppressing others should have their power taken away from them.

I am not the best person to explain this situation, if you are interested in a more in depth discussion and explanation of this by smbdy way smarter and better informed than me, read this article.

The Challenge of Marxism

For a generation after the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989, most Americans and Europeans regarded Marxism as an enemy that had been defeated once and for all. But they were wrong.

quillette.com

 

[maruberry]

PS: welcome to my now regular becoming political rants lmao

 

[JakeyWantsCakey]

I blame social media honestly, I think the way all of their algorithms are set up leads to radicalisation by only showing you opinions that agree with yours, the only way you get to hear both sides of an argument is if you actively seek out the opposing opinion to yours which isn't always an easy pill to swallow plus in today's world of clickbait headlines, the most extreme polarising voices are naturally the ones that rise to the top which kind of makes it hard for anyone with a moderate or nuanced view point to get their voice heard.

 

[mysteric]

I blame social media honestly, I think the way all of their algorithms are set up leads to radicalisation by only showing you opinions that agree with yours, the only way you get to hear both sides of an argument is if you actively seek out the opposing opinion to yours which isn't always an easy pill to swallow plus in today's world of clickbait headlines, the most extreme polarising voices are naturally the ones that rise to the top which kind of makes it hard for anyone with a moderate or nuanced view point to get their voice heard.

this is why I hate sns-based news outlets and never like any political posts on SNS
The conformational bias is insane honestly

 

[maruberry]

this is why I hate sns-based news outlets and never like any political posts on SNS
The conformational bias is insane honestly

And there is also the side of people dismissing a news outlet just bcs they lean to the right or to the left.
Like yeah..... but that doesn't make the arguments that outlet makes any less valid or worthy of being heard.

 

[Jimimis]

Every day I’m pushed farther and farther right lol

 

[maruberry]

Every day I’m pushed farther and farther right lol

you will be the first one to riot, I know

 

[Jimimis]

you will be the first one to riot, I know

Ready to loot the craft store, finally I will have enough stationary

 

[maruberry]

Ready to loot the craft store, finally I will have enough stationary

Also I know I've said this before, but your signature is PERFECT for you

 

[Jimimis]

Also I know I've said this before, but your signature is PERFECT for you

Raquelle is my girl and I love her. give her love

 

[mysteric]

And there is also the side of people dismissing a news outlet just bcs they lean to the right or to the left.
Like yeah..... but that doesn't make the arguments that outlet makes any less valid or worthy of being heard.

I feel like a lot of people use news as a sort of validation,, sad honestly

 

[VillageIdiot]

This feels like conservative fear stoking more than anything...

 

[maruberry]

This feels like conservative fear stoking more than anything...

While I agree it is conservative, that in my eyes doesn't make it any less valid of an opinion.


In fact did you know the founders of BLM openly have proclaimed themselves as marxists

 

[VillageIdiot]

While I agree it is conservative, that in my eyes doesn't make it any less valid of an opinion.


In fact did you know the founders of BLM openly have proclaimed themselves as marxists

It's fear mongering

The current times seem more reminiscent of the Red Scare that plagued the 50s and 60s. Any act of liberalism is illegitimate and taking a stance of racism is "communist"
I have a real issue when media tries to paint Donald Trump, Tucker Carlson and Woodrow Wilson as victims, delegitimizes public education in favor of charter schools and continues the rhetoric that anyone wants chaos and looting on the streets.
As a western society, America is the farthest from Marxism or communism and we've been going through a rise of conservativism and arguably far-right ideals for the last 6 years.

Do I see the baseline of "oppressor and oppressed"? Absolutely. But that is the baseline of every movement and revolution throughout history, not just Marxism

 

[maruberry]

It's fear mongering

The current times seem more reminiscent of the Red Scare that plagued the 50s and 60s. Any act of liberalism is illegitimate and taking a stance of racism is "communist"
I have a real issue when media tries to paint Donald Trump, Tucker Carlson and Woodrow Wilson as victims, delegitimizes public education in favor of charter schools and continues the rhetoric that anyone wants chaos and looting on the streets.
As a western society, America is the farthest from Marxism or communism and we've been going through a rise of conservativism and arguably far-right ideals for the last 6 years.

Do I see the baseline of "oppressor and oppressed"? Absolutely. But that is the baseline of every movement and revolution throughout history, not just Marxism

Well I cannot definitely say on the state of how things are in america 100% since y'know.... me no live there.
but I can definitely see parallels to what is being described in the article in Estonia, where I live.

And I do think that not every aspect of the article is something I can agree with, but the overall point it is trying to get across seems accurate to me.

And this article wasn't trying to put it across that people want chaos and looting on the streets. Those are riots, not revolutions, but you cannot tell me that a very big chunk of people wouldn't be in favour for taking down the current system, even with violence.

Most people don't think about starting a revolution or even consider it possible, but a lot more would be willing to join when the spark has been lit.

 

[VillageIdiot]

Well I cannot definitely say on the state of how things are in america 100% since y'know.... me no live there.
but I can definitely see parallels to what is being described in the article in Estonia, where I live.

And I do think that not every aspect of the article is something I can agree with, but the overall point it is trying to get across seems accurate to me.

And this article wasn't trying to put it across that people want chaos and looting on the streets. Those are riots, not revolutions, but you cannot tell me that a very big chunk of people wouldn't be in favour for taking down the current system, even with violence.

Most people don't think about starting a revolution or even consider it possible, but a lot more would be willing to join when the spark has been lit.

I just don't see it. Liberals can't even be bothered to vote, let alone overthrow the government

I think most communist parties originated because there wasnt a way out and they were under oppressive governments/regimes. We just don't have that and it's been ingrained into all of us that's it's pretty impossible to get there.
I just don't see it happening or anyone advocating for it

 

[jasque]

In the US it seems these guys have divergences with marxists though, race is a very polarized thing there.
Even feminism and lgbt we can say that they have some disagreements.

I can say that in my country I don't trust these people at all though.

Here they go all silent when someone from left does something wrong (which isn't something rare I must say), which is why I'll never be a part of it.

 

[yeji]

as someone who wants equality for all and as part of the lgbtq I can’t help but to want change, to want to overthrow things that clearly aren’t making life fair.

I also definitely have been having a yon of feminist thoughts after watching two interesting and informative videos (one was shown even live on national tv here).

There are english subs available

 

[maruberry]

as someone who wants equality for all and as part of the lgbtq I can’t help but to want change, to want to overthrow things that clearly aren’t making life fair.

I also definitely have been having a yon of feminist thoughts after watching two interesting and informative videos (one was shown even live on national tv here).

There are english subs available

With this I'm like actually in the middle, bcs I do agree that the only real way to change shit, is to overthrow and to fight.
Just the thing is..... rebellions and revolutions are the kind of thing that are very easy to steer off the intended path and oftentimes the results aren't what the people fighting intended.

They are overall.... risky business

 

[yeji]

With this I'm like actually in the middle, bcs I do agree that the only real way to change shit, is to overthrow and to fight.
Just the thing is..... rebellions and revolutions are the kind of thing that are very easy to steer off the intended path and oftentimes the results aren't what the people fighting intended.

They are overall.... risky business

definitely agree with you on that. it’s definitely risky and difficult but I am sure that we will reach a point where things need to change and will change and no one can stop it