What kpop idol deserves the criticism they get? (2 Viewers)

[Selfmate]

Please be a bit more specific with regard to "criminal"; my ult has a criminal record but never harmed anyone with his crime.

'sup my friend - do you think psy deserves his criticism then for trying to dodge the enlistment?

 

[GOJOSWIFE]

When 22 people can get the choreo right and 1 can’t ☕

HELP?!

 

[GOJOSWIFE]

an interesting question may be which non-criminal kpop idol deserves their criticism

Heechul

something about male idols and males in general when it comes to certain female groups. yuck. it's a phenomenon for sure.

 

[Selfmate]

something about male idols and males in general when it comes to certain female groups. yuck. it's a phenomenon for sure.

I thought heechul got along great with female idols like they've all praised him at one point or another no?

 

[GOJOSWIFE]

I thought heechul got along great with female idols like they've all praised him at one point or another no?

sure on camera. but lord knows many have their thoughts (And rightfully so) abt what happened w Momo.

men can be charismatic, doesn't make them good people. same goes for women (maybe to a little lesser extent but i'm not gonna go into that here)

 

[Selfmate]

sure on camera. but lord knows many have their thoughts (And rightfully so) abt what happened w Momo.

men can be charismatic, doesn't make them good people. same goes for women (maybe to a little lesser extent but i'm not gonna go into that here)

that's interesting - since most people (esepcially SM GG) have said that heechul is very respectful to them and yes he did go crazy during that drunken livestream but should that remove all the "positive" things that others have said about him???
ie. does one bad deed/action remove all positive goodwill towards him (for you?)

obviously we never know what goes on off camera my friend - our favs might be the most horrible people of all off camera but why are we "assuming" something that happens off camera - isn't that mere speculation?

 

[GOJOSWIFE]

that's interesting - since most people (esepcially SM GG) have said that heechul is very respectful to them and yes he did go crazy during that drunken livestream but should that remove all the "positive" things that others have said about him???
ie. does one bad deed/action remove all positive goodwill towards him (for you?)

obviously we never know what goes on off camera my friend - our favs might be the most horrible people of all off camera but why are we "assuming" something that happens off camera - isn't that mere speculation?

his relationship with momo was not speculation and i personally have a huge issue with those age gap relationships. idk what age someone is at, if they're on the younger side they're gonna lack mental capacity to understand what they're getting themselves into and i fully believe grooming can happen at any age. this is only something i've come to learn recently at 20.

idk about the livestream thing or whatever and speculation is speculation. idk what terms he's on with her either, but i (and many others from what i've seen) have side-eyed him since. weird ass (him not you)

 

[princesita]

that's interesting - since most people (esepcially SM GG) have said that heechul is very respectful to them and yes he did go crazy during that drunken livestream but should that remove all the "positive" things that others have said about him???
ie. does one bad deed/action remove all positive goodwill towards him (for you?)

obviously we never know what goes on off camera my friend - our favs might be the most horrible people of all off camera but why are we "assuming" something that happens off camera - isn't that mere speculation?

I already said this on another forum so I'll just copy and paste it:

Heechul has always hung around younger female idols to get brownie points from female fans and pretends to care about feminist issues. I say pretending because the crap he said shows that he does not care. Several female SM artists have warned about Suju members and their crappy personalities. Leeteuk literally chased down Krystal from f(x) as a trainee (she was 13, he was 20) saying he was going to marry her. It's not really anything new that a Suju member is a weirdo towards women especially younger women.



He's been under fire for this misogynistic bullshit for years now, it's just now that he's throwing a huge man-child tantrum and exposing his TRUE feelings.



As they say: "Drunk words are sober thoughts"

 

[GOJOSWIFE]

I already said this on another forum so I'll just copy and paste it:

PERIOD.

 

[Selfmate]

I already said this on another forum so I'll just copy and paste it:

interesting...and especially in regards to " Several female SM artists have warned about Suju members and their crappy personalities. "

was it directed especially towards heechul or other suju members?

"He's been under fire for this misogynistic bullshit for years now, it's just now that he's throwing a huge man-child tantrum and exposing his TRUE feelings."
interesting I haven't been around kpop long enough to hear that but I'll keep that in mind

 

[Selfmate]

his relationship with momo was not speculation and i personally have a huge issue with those age gap relationships. idk what age someone is at, if they're on the younger side they're gonna lack mental capacity to understand what they're getting themselves into and i fully believe grooming can happen at any age. this is only something i've come to learn recently at 20.

idk about the livestream thing or whatever and speculation is speculation. idk what terms he's on with her either, but i (and many others from what i've seen) have side-eyed him since. weird ass (him not you)

interesting - to me it seems their relationship was happy for both of them while it lasted - obviously there is a large age gap and there can be issues with that but I guess I hover on the side of caution and say unless one of the parties came out and said something then I assume it was all consensual and hunky dory
I've known you for a while my friend so I feel for your own situation

 

[PWSwan]

'sup my friend - do you think psy deserves his criticism then for trying to dodge the enlistment?

I was thinking of his weed bust, actually. Since he re-enlisted (albeit less than voluntarily), he just gets jokes about the re-enlistment.

 

[Selfmate]

I was thinking of his weed bust, actually. Since he re-enlisted (albeit less than voluntarily), he just gets jokes about the re-enlistment.

weed bust? huh didn't know about that...
well then for both situations do you think psy deserves the criticism then?