Sensitive Jeju Air crash adds to Boeing B737-800 safety concerns in Korea (1 Viewer)

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Tw obviously if you read it but this was the least horrible one I could find.

There are only 2 survivors.

It also points out the many Boeing crashes (both the ones where people survived and the ones where there weren't any survivors).

Also a Boeing plane in Norway made an emergency landing and everyone was ok.



Also this person has a point:

 

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RIP to the victims. My thoughts are with their family.

I'm kinda going to play the devil's advocate here and say that at this moment, it is believed to be caused by a bird strike, which caused the motor to explode and thus landing gear couldn't operate. This could've happened with Airbus, Embraer, you name it.
Let's wait until we have the official report before we start blaming Boeing again
 
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RIP to the victims. My thoughts are with their family.

I'm kinda going to play the devil's advocate here and say that at this moment, it is believed to be caused by a bird strike, which caused the motor to explode and thus landing gear couldn't operate. This could've happened with Airbus, Embraer, you name it.
Let's wait until we have the official report before we start blaming Boeing again
Seems like it was really because of birds




May all the victims rest in peace
 

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Seems like it was really because of birds




May all the victims rest in peace
Yeah The Aviation Herald also points towards it.
Apparently it was communicated before landing that there was a flock of birds

 

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rip and condolences to the families
 
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Wow just saw the video

Runway was way way too short for that.
Look how fast its going at the end of the runway.
Much of the stopping force on a plane is reversing the engines.
And up thread they said there was a bird strike.

Better to try for a water landing
 
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There is alot of data to process.
Putting this on the manufacturer though in this case looks to be a mistake.
Boeing has F- up alot to be sure.

this feels like pilots too used to auto pilot. everything went to hell and then squared.

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There is a longer video that starts a few seconds before this , and you see the first touchdown point, it’s definitely 2/3 down the runway, they have so much speed going through the end of the threshold, there are so many questions that need to be answered

 
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RIP to the victims. My thoughts are with their family.

I'm kinda going to play the devil's advocate here and say that at this moment, it is believed to be caused by a bird strike, which caused the motor to explode and thus landing gear couldn't operate. This could've happened with Airbus, Embraer, you name it.
Let's wait until we have the official report before we start blaming Boeing again
TRIGGER WARNING: articles include pictures and video of crash and wreckage.


"A passenger plane skidded off a runway at a South Korean airport on Sunday, slammed into a concrete fence and burst into flames after its front landing gear apparently failed to deploy."

"skidding across the airstrip, apparently with its landing gear still closed,"

"Lee said that workers were looking into various possibilities about what caused the crash, including whether the aircraft was struck by birds.

Senior Transport Ministry official Joo Jong-wan said workers have retrieved the flight data and cockpit voice recorders in the plane's black box, which will be examined by government experts investigating the cause of the crash and fire.


Joo said the runway at the Muan airport will be closed until Jan. 1.

The ministry said the plane was a 15-year-old Boeing 737-800 jet that was returning from Bangkok when the crash occurred at 9:03 a.m. local time, and its passengers included two Thai nationals.

Thailand's prime minister, Paetongtarn Shinawatra, expressed deep condolences to the families of those affected by the accident through a post on the social media platform X, formerly Twitter. Paetongtarn said she had ordered the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to provide immediate assistance.

In a televised news conference, Kim E-bae, Jeju Air's president, deeply bowed with other senior company officials as he apologized to bereaved families and said he feels "full responsibility" for the incident.

It was the first fatal flight for Jeju Air, a low-cost airline founded in 2005 that ranks behind only Korean Air Lines and Asiana Airlines in terms of the number of passengers in South Korea.

Kim said the company hadn't identified any mechanical problems with the aircraft following regular checkups and that he would wait for the results of government investigations into the cause of the crash.

It's one of the deadliest disasters in South Korea's aviation history.

In an emergency meeting on Sunday evening, South Korea's acting president, Choi Sang-mok, declared a national mourning period until Jan. 4."


1. I posted that article because so many of them have disturbing pictures/videos of the crash and not everyone wants to see that.

2. Even if a bird strike was the initial reason they had to make an emergency landing the gear didn't deploy. Issues with landing gear have happened multiple times just this year. (👇)

The landing gear would have stopped the plane from crashing into wall.

Boeing Planes Have Two Landing Gear Problems Over Last Few Days


March 8, 2024

"A Boeing 777 lost a wheel taking off from San Francisco and a 737 had a landing gear failure this morning."

Boeing 767 cargo plane landing without front gear on Istanbul runway captured on video

May 08, 2024


Boeing plane makes emergency landing at Montreal's Mirabel airport after landing gear malfunction

Nov. 28, 2024



"Some of the more common mechanically related causes for landing gear failures include:

Improper rigging
Improper repairs or maintenance
Parts worn beyond their allowable service limits
Improper installation of parts
Improperly secured parts
Use of non-standard or unapproved parts
Failure or fatigue of parts
Rupture of hydraulic lines.
Failure of electrical wire connections, relays, contactors, and/or actuators
Malfunctions of warning systems
Inoperative limit and safety switches,
Uplocks failed to release
Down locks failed to engage.
Wheels jammed or hung up in wheel wells.
Lack of lubrication
Lack of hydraulic fluid
Retraction of landing with tow bar still attached

In addition to mechanically or material related failures, DVI’s Aviation Human Factors Experts can assess possible Pilot Errors associated with a gear up landing.


Some cockpit designs place the landing gear switch in close proximity to the lower portion of the instrument panel. Shorter pilots that adjust their seats closer to the controls have a reduced separation from their knees to the landing control switch.

During the landing phase, pilots shift their feet to the top of the rudder pedals to apply the brakes and all too often they inadvertently bump the landing gear switch into the up position."

"In June 2020, the Federal Aviation Administration found several 737 MAX defects that Boeing deferred to fix, in violation of regulations.

In September 2020, the U.S. House of Representatives concluded its own investigation and cited numerous instances where Boeing dismissed employee concerns with a 737 MAX flight stabilizing feature (MCAS) that caused the two fatal accidents, prioritized deadline and budget constraints over safety, and lacked transparency in disclosing essential information to the FAA.

It further found that the assumption that simulator training would not be necessary had "diminished safety, minimized the value of pilot training, and inhibited technical design improvements"."


Boeing to pay more than $2.5 billion to settle criminal conspiracy charge over 737 Max

JAN 7 2021


"The Justice Department said Boeing employees concealed information about the aircraft’s onboard software from regulators who had originally approved the planes."


If these planes were toys or food items they would have been recalled by now.

And like this is the same company that said this:

"In March 2023, Boeing disputed in court filings that the victims of Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 (2019 crash) experienced any pain and suffering in the final six minutes as the plane was nosediving into the ground, arguing that an impact at the "speed of sound" would have died too quickly to be painful."


(Tbc I'm not mad at you, I'm just explaining myself.)
 

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TRIGGER WARNING: articles include pictures and video of crash and wreckage.


"A passenger plane skidded off a runway at a South Korean airport on Sunday, slammed into a concrete fence and burst into flames after its front landing gear apparently failed to deploy."

"skidding across the airstrip, apparently with its landing gear still closed,"

"Lee said that workers were looking into various possibilities about what caused the crash, including whether the aircraft was struck by birds.

Senior Transport Ministry official Joo Jong-wan said workers have retrieved the flight data and cockpit voice recorders in the plane's black box, which will be examined by government experts investigating the cause of the crash and fire.


Joo said the runway at the Muan airport will be closed until Jan. 1.

The ministry said the plane was a 15-year-old Boeing 737-800 jet that was returning from Bangkok when the crash occurred at 9:03 a.m. local time, and its passengers included two Thai nationals.

Thailand's prime minister, Paetongtarn Shinawatra, expressed deep condolences to the families of those affected by the accident through a post on the social media platform X, formerly Twitter. Paetongtarn said she had ordered the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to provide immediate assistance.

In a televised news conference, Kim E-bae, Jeju Air's president, deeply bowed with other senior company officials as he apologized to bereaved families and said he feels "full responsibility" for the incident.

It was the first fatal flight for Jeju Air, a low-cost airline founded in 2005 that ranks behind only Korean Air Lines and Asiana Airlines in terms of the number of passengers in South Korea.

Kim said the company hadn't identified any mechanical problems with the aircraft following regular checkups and that he would wait for the results of government investigations into the cause of the crash.

It's one of the deadliest disasters in South Korea's aviation history.

In an emergency meeting on Sunday evening, South Korea's acting president, Choi Sang-mok, declared a national mourning period until Jan. 4."


1. I posted that article because so many of them have disturbing pictures/videos of the crash and not everyone wants to see that.

2. Even if a bird strike was the initial reason they had to make an emergency landing the gear didn't deploy. Issues with landing gear have happened multiple times just this year. (👇)

The landing gear would have stopped the plane from crashing into wall.

Boeing Planes Have Two Landing Gear Problems Over Last Few Days


March 8, 2024

"A Boeing 777 lost a wheel taking off from San Francisco and a 737 had a landing gear failure this morning."

Boeing 767 cargo plane landing without front gear on Istanbul runway captured on video

May 08, 2024


Boeing plane makes emergency landing at Montreal's Mirabel airport after landing gear malfunction

Nov. 28, 2024



"Some of the more common mechanically related causes for landing gear failures include:

Improper rigging
Improper repairs or maintenance
Parts worn beyond their allowable service limits
Improper installation of parts
Improperly secured parts
Use of non-standard or unapproved parts
Failure or fatigue of parts
Rupture of hydraulic lines.
Failure of electrical wire connections, relays, contactors, and/or actuators
Malfunctions of warning systems
Inoperative limit and safety switches,
Uplocks failed to release
Down locks failed to engage.
Wheels jammed or hung up in wheel wells.
Lack of lubrication
Lack of hydraulic fluid
Retraction of landing with tow bar still attached

In addition to mechanically or material related failures, DVI’s Aviation Human Factors Experts can assess possible Pilot Errors associated with a gear up landing.


Some cockpit designs place the landing gear switch in close proximity to the lower portion of the instrument panel. Shorter pilots that adjust their seats closer to the controls have a reduced separation from their knees to the landing control switch.

During the landing phase, pilots shift their feet to the top of the rudder pedals to apply the brakes and all too often they inadvertently bump the landing gear switch into the up position."

"In June 2020, the Federal Aviation Administration found several 737 MAX defects that Boeing deferred to fix, in violation of regulations.

In September 2020, the U.S. House of Representatives concluded its own investigation and cited numerous instances where Boeing dismissed employee concerns with a 737 MAX flight stabilizing feature (MCAS) that caused the two fatal accidents, prioritized deadline and budget constraints over safety, and lacked transparency in disclosing essential information to the FAA.

It further found that the assumption that simulator training would not be necessary had "diminished safety, minimized the value of pilot training, and inhibited technical design improvements"."


Boeing to pay more than $2.5 billion to settle criminal conspiracy charge over 737 Max

JAN 7 2021


"The Justice Department said Boeing employees concealed information about the aircraft’s onboard software from regulators who had originally approved the planes."


If these planes were toys or food items they would have been recalled by now.

And like this is the same company that said this:

"In March 2023, Boeing disputed in court filings that the victims of Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 (2019 crash) experienced any pain and suffering in the final six minutes as the plane was nosediving into the ground, arguing that an impact at the "speed of sound" would have died too quickly to be painful."


(Tbc I'm not mad at you, I'm just explaining myself.)
I'm not saying Boeing isn't at fault. Here's my reasoning.

My company flies almost exclusively with Boeing and since the founding, we haven't had a single crash.
Why? Because our fleets are new, our pilots learn to train with every model in the fleet (whilst most companies only teach pilots to fly with one model) and we don't let our planes depart unless they're 100% in top shape technically.
Either that or we're in the good graces Boeing I guess

Some of the accidents you listed, there've been some talks about them. I know of a few where it's been said that it's the aviation company's neglect that's behind it.

Anyways, that's my reasoning. I felt the need to comment this since the press seems to love to strike fear into people about Boeing.
Again, not saying that it's not Boeing's fault in any of these cases above. Just saying that there might be more behind the scenes and there's some of companies that I myself personally will never board myself.
I'll leave it at that.
RIP to the victims.
 

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