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[Evergreen]

it just means that i agree with you and that you kinda took the words out of my mouth and kinda encapsulated the point I wanted to make for this thread.

Being a pioneer is different than paving the way for me though SNSD and Wonders Girls in America also had an impact in the Kpop niche. BTS and Blackpink are the only ones until now to achieve some kind of public recognition. When they go to Coachella, it’s wasn’t just a big event for Kpop fans but for every person who wanted to attend. Blackpink is still limited by YG though.

 

[amourpinks]

Being a pioneer is different than paving the way for me though SNSD and Wonders Girls in America also had an impact in the Kpop niche. BTS and Blackpink are the only ones until now to achieve some kind of public recognition. When they go to Coachella, it’s wasn’t just a big event for Kpop fans but for every person who wanted to attend. Blackpink is still limited by YG though.

I completely agree! there were a lot of kpop acts who tried getting into america before but bts and blackpink were the only ones who have gotten recognition among the gp.

 

[Abeamus]

other girl groups are definitely doing good now but blackpink are still outperforming in everything, I think they're really the only ones who have success that is actually catching attention. id definitely say that more girl groups are making a name for themselves in America but blackpink were really the first ones to achieve some of the records that they have and still hold today which werent even doable for western girl groups.

If those records are Billboard then I honestly don't find any kpop groups achievements on there impressive as it just shows they aren't made for the organised fandom power kpop is capable of.

Saying Blackpink did the most overall isn't a good argument as before that Girls' Generation did the most winning the YouTube award which was basically the same as the social award but that didn't exactly do anything now.

BTS impact in the west is evident and ofc if you force people to choose 1 girl group then you'll get Blackpink as an answer. However doing the most doesn't automatically mean you are paving the way the same way as BTS are.

 

[Evergreen]

If those records are Billboard then I honestly don't find any kpop groups achievements on there impressive as it just shows they aren't made for the organised fandom power kpop is capable of.

Saying Blackpink did the most overall isn't a good argument as before that Girls' Generation did the most winning the YouTube award which was basically the same as the social award but that didn't exactly do anything now.

BTS impact in the west is evident and ofc if you force people to choose 1 girl group then you'll get Blackpink as an answer. However doing the most doesn't automatically mean you are paving the way the same way as BTS are.

Even non Kpop fans begin to listen to Blackpink now and their fandom size is nowhere near BTS fandom yet, they are almost at one billion of views for D4 (994 milions). Their Spotify streams are also very impressive.
BTS turn theirs new fans into ARMYs but Blackpink have more casual listeners for them.

 

[yeji]

the impact bts has is undeniable but I still wouldn’t say that BP is there yet.

 

[blueberries]

First of all, the thread is rly lacking 2NE1 who did quite lot in the west even if they never got their full-blown debut there.

Secondly I definitely think Blackpink's western recognization is not comparable to any other girl group. It's almost annoying, all the videos and posts about western achievement is nth but BTS and Blackpink. Spotify, youtube views, no other even comes close.

What other group have is fandom recognization and then they are recognized as kpop, sth that someone who is interested of kpop knows and will check out. But both BTS and Blackpink are recognized beyond that, ofc some older folks who don't stay with trends and check out social media will not know them, but others will. Like BTS and Blackpink are still only kpop groups who you can hear malls in Finland.

 

[Abeamus]

Even non Kpop fans begin to listen to Blackpink now and their fandom size is nowhere near BTS fandom yet, they are almost at one billion of views for D4 (994 milions). Their Spotify streams are also very impressive.
BTS turn theirs new fans into ARMYs but Blackpink have more casual listeners for them.

The first part is why I said they have a presence since I know pretty much all the stories but again there is using that presence which I don't think has been done ofc because of YG.

 

[Evergreen]

The first part is why I said they have a presence since I know pretty much all the stories but again there is using that presence which I don't think has been done ofc because of YG.

They are limited because of their agency for sure.

 

[Abeamus]

They are limited because of their agency for sure.

Honestly Blackpink at this rate are at risk of going down as the biggest waste of potential in kpop.

 

[amourpinks]

If those records are Billboard then I honestly don't find any kpop groups achievements on there impressive as it just shows they aren't made for the organised fandom power kpop is capable of.

Saying Blackpink did the most overall isn't a good argument as before that Girls' Generation did the most winning the YouTube award which was basically the same as the social award but that didn't exactly do anything now.

BTS impact in the west is evident and ofc if you force people to choose 1 girl group then you'll get Blackpink as an answer. However doing the most doesn't automatically mean you are paving the way the same way as BTS are.

No other girl group is going on the billboard the way that blackpink is though. No other girl group is performing like blackpink. A lot of new fans have been brought in because of them and they’re representing kpop girl groups like never before. They have what the gp likes and they’re slowly building their fandom. And I never said that they’re doing as good as bts or that they’re as big as bts in the states but they’re still pretty damn big for what they are as a kpop girl group with barely any Songs. and they’re competing with girl groups in the west and is even doing better on some charts. Bts obviously opened doors for kpop in general but I think that blackpink is making progress for the girl groups In kpop in a positive way.

 

[amourpinks]

I've literally not heard a single person deny that since 2017...and before 2016/17 bts weren't paving the way internationally so it wasn't wrong at that time for people to deny it.

Fans of the 2nd and 3rd gen have said it and I agree anyone who says it now is delusional obviously. This whole trying to throw second gen fans under the bus though is pointless and getting really old and tiring too... most second gen fans are older now anyways... so most current delusional happenings are the result of 3rd gen fans, they are the majority and the youngest at this time, it's just fact. No matter the generations number, the most recent will be the cause of most things good and bad whether it's the 3rd or the 46th

so let's all please drop this stupidity

The majority of the people that I’ve seen denying that bts paved the way are 2nd gen stans, on twitter and things like that. So sorry if I generalized but I’m speaking from my own experience.

 

[amourpinks]

I'm not trying to nit pick everything you say I agree with some of your points, but just wanted to point out the West (but we mostly be refrencing the US in all of this so keep that in mind) has had their focus shift from groups to soloists in the 90's and early 00's where the technology was not nearly the same, the way things were promoted by companies, promoted among civilians, what/how records were kept (i.e. what charts are recognised what types of things they count, bundles, pure album sales, the physical vs. digital sale debate...thinfs have become a lot more complex then they used to be)


So obviously a girl group in the USA in 2002 is not going to have nearly the same impact or record setting as black pink... but it's not like black pink did the impossible by "beating americans at their own game" cause the USA wasn't even participating in the sport.. ya know what I mean?

I know what you mean but I was talking about groups like little mix and fifth harmony who are and we’re big girl groups in the 2010s, blackpink is the first girl group to get a number one on the US iTunes Charts since destiny’s child, they’re doing better then little mix in America right now. In Europe little mix is still bigger but that’s only because that’s where they’re based and have promoted the most. What I mean by my post is that blackpink are competition to some girl groups In the west who are supposed to be bigger then them and that’s a big achievement for a Korean girl group.

 

[amourpinks]

First of all, the thread is rly lacking 2NE1 who did quite lot in the west even if they never got their full-blown debut there.

Secondly I definitely think Blackpink's western recognization is not comparable to any other girl group. It's almost annoying, all the videos and posts about western achievement is nth but BTS and Blackpink. Spotify, youtube views, no other even comes close.

What other group have is fandom recognization and then they are recognized as kpop, sth that someone who is interested of kpop knows and will check out. But both BTS and Blackpink are recognized beyond that, ofc some older folks who don't stay with trends and check out social media will not know them, but others will. Like BTS and Blackpink are still only kpop groups who you can hear malls in Finland.

The only reason why I didn’t mention 2ne1 is because I was talking about girl groups who actually tried debuting and promoting in America. I would have mentioned them otherwise.

 

[Abeamus]

No other girl group is going on the billboard the way that blackpink is though. No other girl group is performing like blackpink. A lot of new fans have been brought in because of them and they’re representing kpop girl groups like never before. They have what the gp likes and they’re slowly building their fandom. And I never said that they’re doing as good as bts or that they’re as big as bts in the states but they’re still pretty damn big for what they are as a kpop girl group with barely any Songs. and they’re competing with girl groups in the west and is even doing better on some charts. Bts obviously opened doors for kpop in general but I think that blackpink is making progress for the girl groups In kpop in a positive way.

This is going nowhere so i'm gonna draw the line here

 

[YouNiceKeepGoin]

Bts defently was the main part of it all, but it did mostly point to the boys more than girls then when Blackpink came they started it up for the girls!~

 

[potato]

I don't really care about who paved the way but I think Blackpink are so successful right now because they have the sort of concept that the west absolutely love and their music is also more targetted towards the American market than the Korean one. If you compare AIIYL to Boombayah (both which are old releases), Boombayah is more hyped up internationallly whereas the Korean public seem like AIIYL - which is a lot more of a brighter song - better. They also have less members than BTS, there's only 4, so people don't really complain about there being too many members either. When you think of BTS in the west, Blackpink also come into the conversation. It's almost like the two go together. They definitely deserve a huge amount of respect for how far they have come.

In my opinion, Blackpink definitely weren't the first to step foot into America or achieve success there but they are unarguably the most popular kpop gg in the west right now. I don't really like going into 'who paved the way' conversations so I won't take my post any further.