So Awkward... (2 Viewers)

[RandAlThor]

Im shocked, i say shocked tat the tweet was deleted as the radio show recording will always be around, its not tat hard to imagine why the tweet was deleted, but just makes me side-eye more the stans who i suspect caused the deletion. One of the reasons why i only dip into soshi twt sphere, n stay more in Sica waters there. Theres a whole non-adhering to the no-bashing server tat i just noped out of when i read they (according to my understanding) wouldnt enforce no bullying.

Regarding Seo, everything iv watched since 2018 when i became a SNSD stan n Sica bias leads me to believe Seo leads from behind but is also incredibly loyal n protective of her unnies, imo. She wouldnt back stab anyone if im right abt her. If the video n my 'read' of it is correct, basically the choice was accede or disband, once it became 5 to 3 (if yoon changed sides to Soo, Hyo, Yul, Tae). In fact i believe the outnumbered were divided in loyalty as witness Sunny's tv variety show appearance where she alludes to the split, she said sth like (paraphrase) if that dint happened SNSD woulda disbanded, but it all blurs in my memory since i watched everything compressed from the yrs 2007-2018 in just a few short mths before i couldnt continue anymore, i missed a lot from the beginning, middle n everywhere.

I believe Sun/Tif, Seo just agreed in the end out of equal-ish loyalty n self-desire/motivation to keep going, i dont blame them for being essentially self-motivated as Sica also was self-motivated. Are any selfish, i dont think so. Just imo, im subjectively projecting my feelings about each of them here. You may disagree as is ur right to do so. Whew, too long so ill end here.

Sunny for sure was crushed, it took at least 3-4 years for her to get back to happy Sunny. And she still has pics of OT 9 around her house.
Sunny is for sure the one feeling OT9 stans pain the most.

 

[LoveYooShaSha]

Sunny for sure was crushed, it took at least 3-4 years for her to get back to happy Sunny. And she still has pics of OT 9 around her house.
Sunny is for sure the one feeling OT9 stans pain the most.

I agree so strongly with this, also Tif but im not sure how much her closeness as 2 korean-americans was an act or if shes good at acting now to hide the pain, either way i tend to think Sunny n Tif nvr acted purposely to bar Sica, just bowed to the inevitable. Im still sad for Sunny, did you watch her ep of On and Off with BoA? Where she talks a bit of her singing voice n other stuff? The twts were devastating but the show itself Sunny seems accepting of the situation n all. Just curious if u watched it.

 

[RandAlThor]

I agree so strongly with this, also Tif but im not sure how much her closeness as 2 korean-americans was an act or if shes good at acting now to hide the pain, either way i tend to think Sunny n Tif nvr acted purposely to bar Sica, just bowed to the inevitable. Im still sad for Sunny, did you watch her ep of On and Off with BoA? Where she talks a bit of her singing voice n other stuff? The twts were devastating but the show itself Sunny seems accepting of the situation n all. Just curious if u watched it.

not yet i am behind on the BoA 20th stuff as they were not subbed ill look for this.

 

[LoveYooShaSha]

not yet i am behind on the BoA 20th stuff as they were not subbed ill look for this.

Im sure you can find/hv the SNSD variety index already.
The SNSD variety index has bern updated n filled with new links for recent stuff as well, go to cell 151, date 2020.11.21 tvN "On and Off" for a sunny (n BoA) cut subbed.
You shd totally watch it as soon as ur able to as:
The Sunny was rlly poignant imo, i was emotionally deeply moved, yoona voice cameos in a call, too. So touching overall.

 

[RandAlThor]

Totally fun.

ppl love to hate on sm but the artists really feel like family and most seem very happy with the company (well as happy as anyone is with a job and a boss :) ))

 

[LoveYooShaSha]

Totally fun.

ppl love to hate on sm but the artists really feel like family and most seem very happy with the company (well as happy as anyone is with a job and a boss :) ))

Well, who is the boss of Suju sub-label tho? N BoA seems more like a sub-boss of the CEO than an employee, who knows Tae n Yoon might rise in the ranks if they wish to, Tae as Director of Song/Singing n Yoon as Director of Acting, or sth along those lines. Makes it likelier to retain Tae n Yoon if theres a path to directorship/leadership. But i dont know if BoA is happy as director/still a director or not. Suju might be more suited to their leadership as i think Leeteuk or Eunhyuk seem more CEO-like LOL. Im speculating tho so in the end who knows.LOL. Thnx.

 

[RandAlThor]

Well, who is the boss of Suju sub-label tho? N BoA seems more like a sub-boss of the CEO than an employee, who knows Tae n Yoon might rise in the ranks if they wish to, Tae as Director of Song/Singing n Yoon as Director of Acting, or sth along those lines. Makes it likelier to retain Tae n Yoon if theres a path to directorship/leadership. But i dont know if BoA is happy as director/still a director or not. Suju might be more suited to their leadership as i think Leeteuk or Eunhyuk seem more CEO-like LOL. Im speculating tho so in the end who knows.LOL. (would you edit the quote so the link isnt there pls. Thnx.

on it.

yea and BoA called Yunho future director in her ep with LSM

 

[LoveYooShaSha]

on it.

yea and BoA called Yunho future director in her ep with LSM

Only SM n maybe YG has future potential management in their idols, i think-GD n Jennie, Jisoo and/or Rosie i think could take over YG in some capacity at some point in the future but JYP will be a executive driven company after J.Y. Park passes the reigns, pity as Cube, DSP n others dont seem to be as creative driven as executive driven much now. Im not sure tho.

Yay, if Yunho does become future director in SM. Yeah.

 

[RandAlThor]

Only SM n maybe YG has future potential management in their idols, i think-GD n Jennie, Jisoo and/or Rosie i think could take over YG in some capacity at some point in the future but JYP will be a executive driven company after J.Y. Park passes the reigns, pity as Cube, DSP n others dont seem to be as creative driven as executive driven much now. Im not sure tho.

Yay, if Yunho does become future director in SM. Yeah.

Dude is focused.

 

[Darkseid]

Dude is focused.

Yeah lmao, they seem to reward long time artists who are extremely hard working and focused, BoA became director, Yunho will surely become one. I can definitely see either Leeteuk/Heechul/Siwon become one as well.

 

[Abeamus]

Well as far as the SNSD vs Jessica talk goes I will say the same as what I said when it came up after SM saying they let EXO decide about Chen and that is that there really isn't enough information to incriminate anyone in this since the most we can conclude is at least 5 members wanted Jessica gone but we have no context behind why even with shady comments like this from some of the members so as far as who is in the wrong there's still not really anything to be drawn to for that.

 

[Ahsoka]

That's an oof with a sprinkle of yikes

 

[hAJIMAAAA]

Well as far as the SNSD vs Jessica talk goes I will say the same as what I said when it came up after SM saying they let EXO decide about Chen and that is that there really isn't enough information to incriminate anyone in this since the most we can conclude is at least 5 members wanted Jessica gone but we have no context behind why even with shady comments like this from some of the members so as far as who is in the wrong there's still not really anything to be drawn to for that.

thing is that it's been a long time since then and SM has undergone a lot of executive changes (i mean everything in their modus operandi and basically the whole company changed in far too many ways in comparison to pre-2014). Just in 2013 there were many denounces by journalists about SM managers and others not allowing artists to talk about certain things or even be asked about them at all. Not to mention other shady practices they've applied to certain situations since then like they once did with SJ, SNSD and recently someone else i forgot.

The same way that there are rumors right now saying to such deep detail that it was "the parents" or that it was "these members", during the first year or so many insiders and supposed ex-employees and such alleged that it was because of legal issues between Jessica and SM because of her brand, after (i don't quite remember) either #1 having allowed her but then pulling back after seeing the amount of early success her label accumulated, and her refusing to share the income with the company or pay a license or #2 never have given her permission to begin with but she got through with it anyway, execs only acting when it was already too late. So basically in the end it's all guesswork because there are rumors equally as well-based or baseless in all sides.

There is a lot, though not much tea much less so shade, in Shine through which we could imagine certain things, but her excruciating emphasis in " it's the company/the industry's/society's" fault - even if a fellow artist/member wronged her - was quite hard to avoid, so if there was member involvement at all it must've been way more complex than what most people show it to be or want it to be, that's for sure.

 

[Abeamus]

thing is that it's been a long time since then and SM has undergone a lot of executive changes (i mean everything in their modus operandi and basically the whole company changed in far too many ways in comparison to pre-2014). Just in 2013 there were many denounces by journalists about SM managers and others not allowing artists to talk about certain things or even be asked about them at all. Not to mention other shady practices they've applied to certain situations since then like they once did with SJ, SNSD and recently someone else i forgot.

The same way that there are rumors right now saying to such deep detail that it was "the parents" or that it was "these members", during the first year or so many insiders and supposed ex-employees and such allegated that it was because of legal issues between Jessica and SM because of her brand, after (i don't quite remember) either #1 having allowed her but then pulling back after seeing the amount of early success her label accumulated, and her refusing to share the income with the company or pay a license or #2 never have given her permission to begin with but she got through with it anyway, execs only acting when it was already too late. So basically in the end it's all guesswork because there are rumors equally as well-based or baseless in all sides.

There is a lot, though not much tea much less so shade, in Shine through which we could imagine certain things, but her excruciating emphasis in " it's the company/the industry's/society's" fault - even if a fellow artist/member wronged her - was quite hard to avoid, so if there was member involvement at all it must've been way more complex than what most people show it to be or want it to be, that's for sure.

I mean this kinda just agrees with what I said about there not being enough context on the matter to point fingers at anyone specifically and as for SM being the villain there's also the counterpoint that Jessica was only removed from SNSD intially and then left SM after that so it's another thing where the context of it can paint a different picture

 

[hAJIMAAAA]

I mean this kinda just agrees with what I said about there not being enough context on the matter to point fingers at anyone specifically and as for SM being the villain there's also the counterpoint that Jessica was only removed from SNSD intially and then left SM after that so it's another thing where the context of it can paint a different picture

dw that's exactly what i meant, that for now and god knows till when this is just all gonna be random guesswork on the part of fans and journalists and others not directly involved, because all possibilities are equally as plausible and all sides have just as much (or rather: as little) proof.
All i can hope for is that supposed autobiography Yul and Hyo were supposedly working on but was never mentioned again lmao.

 

[Lovely_Cornchips]

Sooyoung's always been at the top of my list lol

Oh Taeyeon and Hyoyeon were at the top of mine.