not just mere grouping but grouping as a civilisation (obviously I am no historian - so I don't have any concept of when that started)
this is from google so maybe from 4000 BCE to now which is (let's just round it to) 6000 years
I guess the question is what should we be comparing civilizations periods to?
instead of comparing it to "when humans started" maybe compare it to when the concept of people started grouping together as a civilizations started (i don't know when that is) and go from there maybe?
if the issue in question is "beating" then yes that's abuse and illegal and wrong but sometimes a smack a bum not to the level of beating may be appriopriate given the circumstances
I always thought that if they changed tactics and claimed MHJ mislead them could they still go after ADOR since MHJ was an employee of ADOR and aren't like companies responsible for the actions of their employees?
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