Information Horrible performance with 10M views (2 Viewers)

Emanresu · 15 January 2021

Ozymandias said:
THIS DISRESPECT TO SNACC IN YOUR AREA

Ok but it's all about context. Objectively it's a pretty bad performance, but watching it in isolation doesn't give the full picture.

Basically, 2 teams had to go head to head and pick a concept. The opposing team was all Korean trainees, strong performers while this team had Hyewon who was an actress trainee and Japanese members. Then, the opposing team also chose Boombayah which is obviously a rap/hip hop song which gave themselves a massive advantage over the inexperienced team- most of the Japanese girls couldn't even speak Korean well, much less rap or carry a Blackpink song.

Anyway, it was the right decision if you're trying to win, but voters sympathy massively swung in the way of this Snacc team and hence the views and votes. Han Chowon had to hard carry.

And yeah her audition round was bad but she becomes one of the best through the show, take a look at her later stages- it's night and day lol. She was in the iconic Rumor stage for instance, and had to be a rapper even though she's a vocalist coz nobody else would step up.

That's the thing about this whole business.

It's about much more than the raw performance talent.

They're selling personalities and likeability as much as anything.

And in the context of PRODUCE 48 a lot of the Japanese members had immense likeability. And their improvement arcs brought a lot to the table in terms of fan connection.

Sohye in PRODUCE 101 was a perfect example. Barely performatively viable at first, but with immense stan attraction and likeability that only rose in fervor as you followed her improvement. Fans were rooting for her. I was rooting for lol. (Sohye stan for life).

And I can't remember as much but I think Sakura fit this a bit. She started off more limited and shined as it went on. And has now really came into her own with IZONE.

naturalqueen · 15 January 2021

wew, i thought you were just exxagerating

but when that first girl opened her mouth...

Darkseid · 15 January 2021

Emanresu said:
That's the thing about this whole business.

It's about much more than the raw performance talent.

They're selling personalities and likeability as much as anything.

And in the context of PRODUCE 48 a lot of the Japanese members had immense likeability. And their improvement arcs brought a lot to the table in terms of fan connection.

Sohye in PRODUCE 101 was a perfect example. Barely performatively viable at first, but with immense stan attraction and likeability that only rose in fervor as you followed her improvement. Fans were rooting for her. I was rooting for lol. (Sohye stan for life).

And I can't remember as much but I think Sakura fit this a bit. She started off more limited and shined as it went on. And has now really came into her own with IZONE.

Yeah the Japanese members weren't as skilled, but they were so likeable and easy to cheer for, that's why even watching Hitomi and Nako come out of nowhere to impress people felt so good

The leader of the opposing Boombayah team miscalculated in this case lol, I remember the fan backlash was immense, probably undeserved but not unexpected.

Even Hyewon got a lot of goodwill from this stage. Viewers knew she didn't have the skills, but she put herself in an uncomfortable position where she had to rap and lead the team despite them not knowing Korean, and they respected that attitude. It's like an anime where someone tries their best and goes beyond their limits even though they're obviously outmatched lol, people cheer for that character

Wingfrost · 15 January 2021

I never realized how awkward this performance was until now I don’t mean that in a hateful kind of way, most of them didn’t have much or any type of training. It really shows how much Chowon improved though.

RainbowDevil · 15 January 2021

Hajima said:
How dare you....

I dare very heavily

Cause it's so damn bad

RainbowDevil · 15 January 2021

Ozymandias said:
THIS DISRESPECT TO SNACC IN YOUR AREA

Ok but it's all about context. Objectively it's a pretty bad performance, but watching it in isolation doesn't give the full picture.

Basically, 2 teams had to go head to head and pick a concept. The opposing team was all Korean trainees, strong performers while this team had Hyewon who was an actress trainee and Japanese members. Then, the opposing team also chose Boombayah which is obviously a rap/hip hop song which gave themselves a massive advantage over the inexperienced team- most of the Japanese girls couldn't even speak Korean well, much less rap or carry a Blackpink song.

Anyway, it was the right decision if you're trying to win, but voters sympathy massively swung in the way of this Snacc team and hence the views and votes. Han Chowon had to hard carry.

And yeah her audition round was bad but she becomes one of the best through the show, take a look at her later stages- it's night and day lol. She was in the iconic Rumor stage for instance, and had to be a rapper even though she's a vocalist coz nobody else would step up.

The context doesn't really give them a reason to be this bad :wonugl: I knew all of that through watching the show and it was still horrid cause they just had no inate talent whatsoever and I spoiled it for myself that she'd be 13th... and my question is how tf

I mean ok I'll watch the rest too and judge then but she turned me off so much already.
At least the view part I can somewhat understand I guess?

Darkseid · 15 January 2021

RainbowDevil said:
The context doesn't really give them a reason to be this bad :wonugl: I knew all of that through watching the show and it was still horrid cause they just had no inate talent whatsoever and I spoiled it for myself that she'd be 13th... and my question is how tf I mean ok I'll watch the rest too and judge then but she turned me off so much already.
At least the view part I can somewhat understand I guess?

Well it's what you'd expect lol, you took a bunch of AKB backup dancers and suddenly expect them to pull off Boombayah, the only Koreans were Hyewon who had no skills and Han Chowon

To her credit, Chowon goes on an amazing redemption arc throughout the show, even her rank improves from somewhere in the 80s to near Top 10 and as the investigations have revealed now, she was one of the original top 11 but got rigged out lol rip.

I still love this performance due to how memeable it is tho

Snacc in your area makes me laugh everytime

RainbowDevil · 15 January 2021

Ozymandias said:
Well it's what you'd expect lol, you took a bunch of AKB backup dancers and suddenly expect them to pull off Boombayah, the only Koreans were Hyewon who had no skills and Han Chowon
To her credit, Chowon goes on an amazing redemption arc throughout the show, even her rank improves from somewhere in the 80s to near Top 10 and as the investigations have revealed now, she was one of the original top 11 but got rigged out lol rip.

I still love this performance due to how memeable it is tho

Snacc in your area makes me laugh everytime

I expect effort :wonugl: You're on a show that rewards effort and you give none which means you don't deserve to go on

And if other japanese trainees/dancers can do good so can they no matter how little screen time they may have had on AKB48 as somenone mentioned in this thread, it was all up to their effort and they didn't have any so... Simple as that really.
As far as Bombayah goes... I actually wasn't expecting anything dance wise, I was expecting them to know how to sing lyrics after a week or so of only doing that.

Well... first (or second) time I can say the rigging did some good to the group. (If it hadn't been exposed)

I'm kinda evil, don't mind me.

Darkseid · 15 January 2021

RainbowDevil said:
I expect effort :wonugl: You're on a show that rewards effort and you give none which means you don't deserve to go on And if other japanese trainees/dancers can do good so can they no matter how little screen time they may have had on AKB48 as somenone mentioned in this thread, it was all up to their effort and they didn't have any so... Simple as that really.
As far as Bombayah goes... I actually wasn't expecting anything dance wise, I was expecting them to know how to sing lyrics after a week or so of only doing that.

Well... first (or second) time I can say the rigging did some good to the group. (If it hadn't been exposed) I'm kinda evil, don't mind me.

Han Chowon is actually pretty good tho I have no idea what was up with her audition

Hyewon did as much as she could have in a week lol, that gave her a lot of votes, the rest of the Japanese esp that Chiba Erii girl I agree with you yep

RainbowDevil · 15 January 2021

Ozymandias said:
Han Chowon is actually pretty good tho I have no idea what was up with her audition
Hyewon did as much as she could have in a week lol, that gave her a lot of votes, the rest of the Japanese esp that Chiba Erii girl I agree with you yep

I just watched the next episode and people told Hyewon she rapped good cause she rapped in a BP song. I literally want to gouge my eyes out