I used to like Holland but now he just a a liar (3 Viewers)

[JJbaker]

I used to not mind that he does everything im against
[use his sexuality for fame]
[im gay btw before you get butt hurt]

he now made a status on twitter stating he is the first gay idol


1. he is not
Marshall bang is the first openly gay idol

2. he isnt if you include idols who are gay who arent out


so now i cant respect him at all tbh

for someone who wants to represent gay people
he ignoring the truth that there is gay idols
cause this statement means there is no current gay idols
and that is not the truth

at least Marshall songs are actually good just saying
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[arieam]

i guess it depends on his definition of idol. he should've said openly gay idol as opposed to gay idol bc yea there might be closeted idols, that's for sure, but maybe the difference for him when he says idol is the same as someone saying like ___ is the first idol rapper. not saying they're the first rapper in korean music, but specifically as an idol.

 

[JJbaker]

i guess it depends on his definition of idol. he should've said openly gay idol as opposed to gay idol bc yea there might be closeted idols, that's for sure, but maybe the difference for him when he says idol is the same as someone saying like ___ is the first idol rapper. not saying they're the first rapper in korean music, but specifically as an idol.

Marshall bang debuted before him [1 year before him]
as a openly gay korean artist
so even if we ignore the fact he meant openly gay he is still wrong

 

[arieam]

Marshall bang debuted before him [1 year before him]
as a openly gay korean artist
so even if we ignore the fact he meant openly gay he is still wrong

but if he's talking about the idol scene and not the korean music industry as a whole wouldn't he be right?

 

[JJbaker]

but if he's talking about the idol scene and not the korean music industry as a whole wouldn't he be right?

Mrshll does korean songs
loads of collabs etc
he just trying to get notice for his talent

 

[arieam]

Mrshll does korean songs
loads of collabs etc
he just trying to get notice for his talent

yea he's great. imo loads more talented than holland and i hope he gets the recognition he deserves. i just think it's kind of unfair to paint holland as a liar when he might've been talking about the idol scene. the entire korean music industry isn't just the idol scene. i brought up rappers bc there is a distinction between an idol rapper and a rapper. and its the same distinction holland might've been using. ig to me it should depend on how he acknowledges mrshll if anyone points it out to him. but just from him saying he's the first gay kpop idol i don't think he's trying to deceive people by not acknowledging mrshll. he might not even be aware of mrshll.

 

[JJbaker]

yea he's great. imo loads more talented than holland and i hope he gets the recognition he deserves. i just think it's kind of unfair to paint holland as a liar when he might've been talking about the idol scene. the entire korean music industry isn't just the idol scene. i brought up rappers bc there is a distinction between an idol rapper and a rapper. and its the same distinction holland might've been using. ig to me it should depend on how he acknowledges mrshll if anyone points it out to him. but just from him saying he's the first gay kpop idol i don't think he's trying to deceive people by not acknowledging mrshll. he might not even be aware of mrshll.

Mrshall is all over the kpop scene he was on show me the money
he is a youtuber like holland
he does sing
plus he was on buzzfeed

 

[arieam]

Mrshall is all over the kpop scene he was on show me the money
he is a youtuber like holland
he does sing
plus he was on buzzfeed

like i said the difference might be what holland considers an idol. like how people differentiate between idol and artist in k-music. i don't know what holland considers the difference and maybe that's what made him say he's the first gay idol, because his experience is specifically about being an idol as opposed to a korean artist.

 

[mirella]

MRSHLL / Marshall Bang is not a technically K-pop idol; he is a Korean music artist.

I assume Holland referred to himself as the first openly gay K-pop idol, so that excludes idols that are currently closeted.

Now, I do not know if that is a true statement by Holland (since Maman is also openly gay but I am not sure if she is considered an idol), but I doubt that Holland maliciously or intentionally lied and ignored other openly gay Korean musicians.

 

[JJbaker]

like i said the difference might be what holland considers an idol. like how people differentiate between idol and artist in k-music. i don't know what holland considers the difference and maybe that's what made him say he's the first gay idol, because his experience is specifically about being an idol as opposed to a korean artist.

but mrshall says he is a idol himself
so he is
that how the rule normally works
as day6 arent idols cause jae says so and we all respect that
even though they pretty much fall into the caterogory of a idol
if mrshall isnt a idol just cause he raps does that make rm not a idol etc

 

[JJbaker]

MRSHLL / Marshall Bang is not a technically K-pop idol; he is a Korean music artist.

I assume Holland referred to himself as the first openly gay K-pop idol, so that excludes idols that are currently closeted.

Now, I do not know if that is a true statement (since Maman is also openly gay but I am not sure if she is considered an idol), but I doubt that Holland maliciously or intentionally lied and ignored other openly gay Korean musicians.

he classes himself as a kpop idol on a interview 2 years ago he said so im way too lazy to try and find it [but it a pre any music realise interview]
and no his status was
I am the first gay idol...
so this includes any idol ... who is gay... male or female im guessing

 

[mirella]

he classes himself as a kpop idol on a interview 2 years ago he said so im way too lazy to try and find it [but it a pre any music realise interview]
and no his status was
I am the first gay idol...
so this includes any idol ... who is gay... male or female im guessing

That was two years ago, before he debuted, though I have read his interviews a long time ago and he was generally referred to as a singer or a "K-pop star." Regardless, that has changed drastically -- I doubt he considers himself an idol anymore considering that he is signed to Feel Ghood Music, which is NOT an idol label, and he promotes primarily as an R&B singer (he is not a rapper) and associates with the underground scene. He is not an idol.

 

[JJbaker]

That was two years ago, before he debuted, though I have read his interviews a long time ago and he was generally referred to as a singer or a "K-pop star." Regardless, that has changed drastically -- I doubt he considers himself an idol anymore considering that he is signed to Feel Ghood Music, which is NOT an idol label, and he promotes primarily as an R&B singer (he is not a rapper) and associates with the underground scene. He is not an idol.

Either way
he did define himself as a idol once
he was out as gay then
making holland still not the first

 

[arieam]

but mrshall says he is a idol himself
so he is
that how the rule normally works
as day6 arent idols cause jae says so and we all respect that
even though they pretty much fall into the caterogory of a idol
if mrshall isnt a idol just cause he raps does that make rm not a idol etc

i never said mrshll isn't an idol just bc he raps. i said there's a distinction between rapper and idol rapper and that might be the same distinction holland is using. all i'm saying is holland might not have been intentionally deceptive and in his eyes he is the first gay kpop idol, even if he's not the first gay korean artist.

he might even be making a distinction between kpop idol and r&b artist. who knows. i just don't think it's fair to read deception in his tweet. i also can't find many interviews with mrshll if he did say he considers himself an idol, then yes he would be the first openly gay idol, but like i said holland might not be aware of that bc it doesn't seem like mrshll is considering himself an idol right now.

 

[JJbaker]

i never said mrshll isn't an idol just bc he raps. i said there's a distinction between rapper and idol rapper and that might be the same distinction holland is using. all i'm saying is holland might not have been intentionally deceptive and in his eyes he is the first gay kpop idol, even if he's not the first gay korean artist.

he might even be making a distinction between kpop idol and r&b artist. who knows. i just don't think it's fair to read deception in his tweet. i also can't find many interviews with mrshll if he did say he considers himself an idol, then yes he would be the first openly gay idol, but like i said holland might not be aware of that bc it doesn't seem like mrshll is considering himself an idol right now.

but at the end of the day
he said first gay idol...
not openly
the tweet been up 6hrs and im not only one pissed at his wording
and he hasnt even corrected himself
no matter how you look at it he is being ignorant as he putting himself on a pedastall what he doesnt deserve
yes he is gay but he isnt the first
and why is he posting about it there loads of idols who are lgbt and dont talk about it 24/7
why cant he push his talent and show he worth the fans
he hasnt prove himself as a artist/idol yet

 

[arieam]

but at the end of the day
he said first gay idol...
not openly
the tweet been up 6hrs and im not only one pissed at his wording
and he hasnt even corrected himself
no matter how you look at it he is being ignorant as he putting himself on a pedastall what he doesnt deserve
yes he is gay but he isnt the first
and why is he posting about it there loads of idols who are lgbt and dont talk about it 24/7
why cant he push his talent and show he worth the fans
he hasnt prove himself as a artist/idol yet

i get where you are coming from, especially about him maybe being ignorant and putting himself on a pedestal. but i don't really understand what you mean by a pedestal he doesn't deserve. i think you'd have to be reading what he said very uncharitably to say he thinks he's the first gay idol as in there are no closeted gay idols.

context is really important too because this is for a fashion campaign. and that's why he used #MyMutiny. super pretentious but basically he's saying what makes him a rebel is that he's the first gay kpop idol. in that sense we know for a fact he means first openly gay kpop idol. bc that is where the rebellion comes from. he says that he's a symbol for change and he is. that's why he's so loud about being gay, because he wants it to be more and more comfortable for other lgbtq+ ppl to talk about themselves and not have to hide.

Spoiler

sure he might be totally about himself. and sure he should spend time getting better at his skills bc i don't find him particularly good at singing, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't talk about being gay 24/7.

 

[yeji]

honestly who isn’t over holland these days? you do want to feel for him but he does use his sexuality instead if showing his talents.

 

[JJbaker]

i get where you are coming from, especially about him maybe being ignorant and putting himself on a pedestal. but i don't really understand what you mean by a pedestal he doesn't deserve. i think you'd have to be reading what he said very uncharitably to say he thinks he's the first gay idol as in there are no closeted gay idols.

context is really important too because this is for a fashion campaign. and that's why he used #MyMutiny. super pretentious but basically he's saying what makes him a rebel is that he's the first gay kpop idol. in that sense we know for a fact he means first openly gay kpop idol. bc that is where the rebellion comes from. he says that he's a symbol for change and he is. that's why he's so loud about being gay, because he wants it to be more and more comfortable for other lgbtq+ ppl to talk about themselves and not have to hide.

Spoiler

sure he might be totally about himself. and sure he should spend time getting better at his skills bc i don't find him particularly good at singing, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't talk about being gay 24/7.

the pedestal I will explain tomoz as phone shit and laptop died b4 could reply properly

and yes he can talk about being gay every second of everyday if he likes

but what that going to achieve tbh it just puts people of him

he needs to improve as a idol as right now I wouldn't class him as a idol myself tbh

a idol is someone we look up to and are somewhat perfect

yet he not following the idol life style at at ll i get he isn't under a company so has no rules but he needs to push himself to idols improve

he can't sing dance or rap
he doesn't visually fall into a idol look so he really needs to focus on showing that he is talented and can produce good music no matter what cause he could end up making it worst not better

 

[JJbaker]

honestly who isn’t over holland these days? you do want to feel for him but he does use his sexuality instead if showing his talents.

he needs to prove himself at this point I feel

 

[arieam]

the pedestal I will explain tomoz as phone shit and laptop died b4 could reply properly

and yes he can talk about being gay every second of everyday if he likes

but what that going to achieve tbh it just puts people of him

he needs to improve as a idol as right now I wouldn't class him as a idol myself tbh

a idol is someone we look up to and are somewhat perfect

yet he not following the idol life style at at ll i get he isn't under a company so has no rules but he needs to push himself to idols improve

he can't sing dance or rap
he doesn't visually fall into a idol look so he really needs to focus on showing that he is talented and can produce good music no matter what cause he could end up making it worst not better

i get it. he seems more of an activist than an artist, but i don't really think that's inherently a bad thing. if ppl want to boost him for being so loud about being gay they can. if ppl give up on him bc he's not releasing good music they can also do that and he'll learn it the hard way. but i'm sure he's passionate about music as well, tho he's not my cup of tea. i just think you and him have different perspectives on his career. i think he's releasing the music that can help him push and depict a specific message and he's satisfied with that.

anyway this was all about him saying he's the first gay kpop idol. i just don't think it's right to say he lied. he's definitely about himself, maybe even narcissistic, but he's still not being deceptive.