kpop stans lack basic reading comprehension (ravn is probably guilty and here's why) (1 Viewer)

[Juniverse]

first going to start off by saying i honestly don't care about oneus or ravn. so i have no reason to hate on him or defend him.

but i saw wayyy too many people defending him in the thread about him leaving over a bullshit statement. the parasocial relationships are really parasocializing 😬

the amount of people here and on twitter defending this guy because the statement was "all fake" is really startling to me because...can't you guys read? i will go over the important parts of the statement because so many people just glossed over it.

the most important parts of this statement are

while checking the facts of the case, we discovered false information and malicious editing included in the posts circulating regarding Ravn

so they found some false information. that does not mean the accusations are false.

regardless of the validity of the circulated posts, we feel responsibility for our inadequacy in artist management

"regardless of the validity" so they don't know if it's true or not.

RBW is purposely writing in a very vague manner but if you actually read and analyze what they're saying, they say "details" are not true, not "the whole thing is false" and "regardless of the validity of the statements". It's a commonly used marketing tactic to downplay the severity of a situation.

is everyone forgetting the audio recordings? i may not be a oneus fan but even i know that tomoons like to praise ravn for his "distinct" and "unique" voice. and now suddenly it could be anyone? even though it sounds exactly like him? and the bubble messages where he practically begs fans to buy him things, even sending his body measurements?? yeah that's not fabricated.

and please, let's be realistic. oneus is not a very popular group. the amount of people i see calling the accuser a "clout-chaser" or "attention-seeker" ma'am what clout are they chasing? cause they're not gonna get any from oneus stans.

i'd like to say it again, they found some false facts. THAT COULD MEAN ANYTHING. that could mean the accuser said he was wearing a red hat on x day, but he was actually wearing a blue one. rbw can take that and say it's a false statement. for all we know that's the false part and everything else is true. it could also mean they found several holes in the accusers story. we don't actually know. the statement is INTENTIONALLY vague and misleading.

also there are hundreds of idols out there you can stan. you don't need to latch onto one who is attached to such a serious controversy. yall are being so disrespectful to your fellow women defending him when there is even the smallest chance he really did all these horrible things.

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[Jewel]

"regardless of the validity" so they don't know if it's true or not.

Pretty sure this means regardless whether they're true or false.

 

[Jewel]

first going to start off by saying i honestly don't care about oneus or ravn. so i have no reason to hate on him or defend him.

but i saw wayyy too many people defending him in the thread about him leaving over a bullshit statement. the parasocial relationships are really parasocializing 😬

the amount of people here and on twitter defending this guy because the statement was "all fake" is really startling to me because...can't you guys read? i will go over the important parts of the statement because so many people just glossed over it.

the most important parts of this statement are

while checking the facts of the case, we discovered false information and malicious editing included in the posts circulating regarding Ravn

so they found some false information. that does not mean the accusations are false.

regardless of the validity of the circulated posts, we feel responsibility for our inadequacy in artist management

"regardless of the validity" so they don't know if it's true or not.

RBW is purposely writing in a very vague manner but if you actually read and analyze what they're saying, they say "details" are not true, not "the whole thing is false" and "regardless of the validity of the statements", so yeah, there is truth to it. It's a commonly used marketing tactic to downplay the severity of a situation.

is everyone forgetting the audio recordings? i may not be a oneus fan but even i know that tomoons like to praise ravn for his "distinct" and "unique" voice. and now suddenly it could be anyone? even though it sounds exactly like him? and the bubble messages where he practically begs fans to buy him things, even sending his body measurements?? yeah that's not fabricated.

and please, let's be realistic. oneus is not a very popular group. the amount of people i see calling the accuser a "clout-chaser" or "attention-seeker" ma'am what clout are they chasing? cause they're not gonna get any from oneus stans.

i'd like to say it again, they found some false facts. THAT COULD MEAN ANYTHING. that could mean the accuser said he was wearing a red hat on x day, but he was actually wearing a blue one. rbw can take that and say it's a false statement. for all we know that's the false part and everything else is true. it could also mean they found several holes in the accusers story. we don't actually know. what we do know is all these people are most likely defending a misogynistic piece of shit. the statement is INTENTIONALLY vague and misleading. rbw did this on purpose so fans can turn ravn into a martyr and it doesn't tarnish oneus' reputation.

also there are hundreds of idols out there you can stan. you don't need to latch onto one who is attached to such a serious controversy. yall are being so disrespectful to your fellow women defending him when there is even the smallest chance he really did all these horrible things.

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Also, I think a reason people defended him once things were revealed wasn't necessarily because it was him. It's a lot about the situation because it's happened to so many good idols before.

 

[Jewel]

Also, here on the forum I haven't seen anyone seriously defending him and seeming to disregard what happened.

 

[Juniverse]

Pretty sure this means regardless whether they're true or false.

That's exactly what I said. They don't know if the accusations are true or false.

 

[Day]

Also, here on the forum I haven't seen anyone seriously defending him and seeming to disregard what happened.

I've seen a few

 

[Day]

I hope they can clearly state what was false and what was true. That way it ends the speculation game.

 

[Jewel]

I've seen a few

A few but we're not all like that.

 

[Jewel]

That's exactly what I said. They don't know if the accusations are true or false.

Also, I meant they would have done it regardless.

 

[Juniverse]

Also, here on the forum I haven't seen anyone seriously defending him and seeming to disregard what happened.

The last two pages of that thread are users outraged at how their precious bby Ravn had to sacrifice himself to save Oneus like he is fucking Hercules or something

 

[eclipsoul]

not just ravn but honestly i find it genuinely weird how after something as serious as sexual assault accusations is proven to be false their stans are instantly saying sh*t like "omg xyz best boy i knew that he would never" like that is just so weird to me especially coming from women and teenage girls. but we're living in a world where johnny depp still has stans so nothing surprises me anymore...

 

[Jewel]

The last two pages of that thread are users outraged at how their precious bby Ravn had to sacrifice himself to save Oneus like he is fucking Hercules or something

Yeah, that's a bit much I get. I was only angry because it seems to happen too much.

 

[Jewel]

not just ravn but honestly i find it genuinely weird how after something as serious as sexual assault accusations is proven to be false their stans are instantly saying sh*t like "omg xyz best boy i knew that he would never" like that is just so weird to me especially coming from women and teenage girls. but we're living in a world where johnny depp still has stans so nothing surprises me anymore...

I think a lot of times that's their way of reasserting themselves that the idol was innocent when they were having doubts.

 

[Abeamus]

The thing with defending him just because RBW said things were false is weird to me as they haven't actually really said anything yet?

Until they dispute pieces of information then we only have 1 side of the story to go on because RBWs statement didn't add any new information and only served to get people questioning current information.

If people wanna give the benefit of the doubt that's fine but that should be waiting for RBW to give a statement that actually gives information for now which that is assuming they do make a follow up statement.

 

[litc]

first going to start off by saying i honestly don't care about oneus or ravn. so i have no reason to hate on him or defend him.

but i saw wayyy too many people defending him in the thread about him leaving over a bullshit statement. the parasocial relationships are really parasocializing 😬

the amount of people here and on twitter defending this guy because the statement was "all fake" is really startling to me because...can't you guys read? i will go over the important parts of the statement because so many people just glossed over it.

the most important parts of this statement are

while checking the facts of the case, we discovered false information and malicious editing included in the posts circulating regarding Ravn

so they found some false information. that does not mean the accusations are false.

regardless of the validity of the circulated posts, we feel responsibility for our inadequacy in artist management

"regardless of the validity" so they don't know if it's true or not.

RBW is purposely writing in a very vague manner but if you actually read and analyze what they're saying, they say "details" are not true, not "the whole thing is false" and "regardless of the validity of the statements", so yeah, there is truth to it. It's a commonly used marketing tactic to downplay the severity of a situation.

is everyone forgetting the audio recordings? i may not be a oneus fan but even i know that tomoons like to praise ravn for his "distinct" and "unique" voice. and now suddenly it could be anyone? even though it sounds exactly like him? and the bubble messages where he practically begs fans to buy him things, even sending his body measurements?? yeah that's not fabricated.

and please, let's be realistic. oneus is not a very popular group. the amount of people i see calling the accuser a "clout-chaser" or "attention-seeker" ma'am what clout are they chasing? cause they're not gonna get any from oneus stans.

i'd like to say it again, they found some false facts. THAT COULD MEAN ANYTHING. that could mean the accuser said he was wearing a red hat on x day, but he was actually wearing a blue one. rbw can take that and say it's a false statement. for all we know that's the false part and everything else is true. it could also mean they found several holes in the accusers story. we don't actually know. what we do know is all these people are most likely defending a misogynistic piece of shit. the statement is INTENTIONALLY vague and misleading. rbw did this on purpose so fans can turn ravn into a martyr and it doesn't tarnish oneus' reputation.

also there are hundreds of idols out there you can stan. you don't need to latch onto one who is attached to such a serious controversy. yall are being so disrespectful to your fellow women defending him when there is even the smallest chance he really did all these horrible things.

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I think my first post there said I want to know what's true and what's false exactly and if it's mostly false, then it's sad

But the audio, only the first part (the part not with the wanting to stab his ex-gf) sounds like him, and the audio is spliced, so that's most likely the edited part

I'm still waiting for the court case, but if anything was false, the allegations hold a lot less weight to me personally for now, and I have no trouble dropping him if he's actually somewhat guilty after all is done is court

 

[tai]

if I’m being honest idek what to believe 🤷🏾‍♂️

 

[Chaeee]

Im just on the side of I really don’t know. I never cared for ONEUS and I wasn’t aware of Ravn’s existence up until this tbh. Before I can say anything in hindsight I hope Ravn faces the reprecussions for whatever he’s done (whether it’s everything or only one or two accusations) and the victim gets justice. But there’s always going to be the slight possibility he’s somewhat innocent, even when it looks slim.
I’m not going to assume he’s either or when there’s still so little we actually know about what the actual facts of this case are

 

[cocomelon]

i always apply the theory of guilty until proven innocent for every celeb scandal 🥰

 

[Chaeee]

not just ravn but honestly i find it genuinely weird how after something as serious as sexual assault accusations is proven to be false their stans are instantly saying sh*t like "omg xyz best boy i knew that he would never" like that is just so weird to me especially coming from women and teenage girls. but we're living in a world where johnny depp still has stans so nothing surprises me anymore...

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Even while the case is still ongoing I’ve seen ToMoons on Twt saying shit like #ONEUSOT6FOREVER as if it’s the appropriate time to be rambling on about how your faves can never be separated when these accusations are actually serious and involve the law

 

[dark_tranquility]

Perhaps they need to go back to school and learn.