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[Selfmate]

I remember Twice renewing their contract with JYP, so I wonder if they share your opinion

think about it from twice and jyp and kpop history my friend

prior to twice renewing in the entire history of kpop there have been two other GG where all the members have renewed with the same company
GG do not renew
GG have a limited shelf life - like it or not
and therefore female idols (for the majority) need to consider their future and what they do after being an idol since as per the above the majority of them do not continue to be idols (or at least not idols in a group) and therefore they need to branch out and make a name for themselves during the first 7 years not afterwards since being an idol as part of a group carries more weight than merely being an idol formerly of a group

now think about that with twice - prior to year 7 they had almost zero solo activities
we know how big sana's current CFs are - in year 8 - can you imagine her doing that at year 3/4/5 etc etc
we know jeongyeon wanted to be an actresses or at least start being one - denied by JYP
by all accounts - nayeon/jihyo and mimosa have been very very successful in years 7 and 8
(there's so much more but I think I made my point)
every individual member of twice has something going on for them

now what does JYP do - he prevents them from having any of the above for 6 bloody years
and guess what the consequences of that is? each individual member of twice is "weaker" and has less brand awareness and popularity than they would have had they had the chance to do all of that
for the first six years they were sana of twice, nayeon of twice etc etc not just SANA, NAYEON in their own rights

and now given what I said earlier it was I think very strategic of JYP to do what he did because the members of twice didn't get the exposure and as popular as they could have had he given them more solo activities which leads to the twice members renewing because of the lack of opportunities outside of JYP

compare the situation with BP or RV even
those members have so much more solo activities that they can choose if they want to renew with YG/SM respectively or not since their own brand/name as individuals exist outside of their group

 

[Moguri]

think about it from twice and jyp and kpop history my friend

prior to twice renewing in the entire history of kpop there have been two other GG where all the members have renewed with the same company
GG do not renew
GG have a limited shelf life - like it or not
and therefore female idols (for the majority) need to consider their future and what they do after being an idol since as per the above the majority of them do not continue to be idols (or at least not idols in a group) and therefore they need to branch out and make a name for themselves during the first 7 years not afterwards since being an idol as part of a group carries more weight than merely being an idol formerly of a group

now think about that with twice - prior to year 7 they had almost zero solo activities
we know how big sana's current CFs are - in year 8 - can you imagine her doing that at year 3/4/5 etc etc
we know jeongyeon wanted to be an actresses or at least start being one - denied by JYP
by all accounts - nayeon/jihyo and mimosa have been very very successful in years 7 and 8
(there's so much more but I think I made my point)
every individual member of twice has something going on for them

now what does JYP do - he prevents them from having any of the above for 6 bloody years
and guess what the consequences of that is? each individual member of twice is "weaker" and has less brand awareness and popularity than they would have had they had the chance to do all of that
for the first six years they were sana of twice, nayeon of twice etc etc not just SANA, NAYEON in their own rights

and now given what I said earlier it was I think very strategic of JYP to do what he did because the members of twice didn't get the exposure and as popular as they could have had he given them more solo activities which leads to the twice members renewing because of the lack of opportunities outside of JYP

compare the situation with BP or RV even
those members have so much more solo activities that they can choose if they want to renew with YG/SM respectively or not since their own brand/name as individuals exist outside of their group

even if only 2 GG renewed with all members... many others still renewed too, even if one or 2 members left, its not as extreme as you make it out to be I'm not trying to say the situation for GG is good after the first 7 years, but its by far not as doom & gloom as you make it out...

Also I think your point with Naeyeon or Sana only being known as Twice Nayeon or Twice Sana is rather strange, if I think about BP or BTS members, they are usually also intoruced as Jennie of BlackPink or RM of BTS, its just how they became famous and the group names in those case are still bigger than those of the individuals.

Yes the Twice members made less money as they could probably, but that narrative that they are some nugus that need to fight for any brand recognition now is absurd tbh. If that was true, they would not be bombarded with brand deals left and right. I feel like I'm posting at least 2 new ones every week..

Also I do not like how you vicimize the Twice members, as if they all got forced into this situation and in reality all wanted to leave but had no choice.. again, if they really felt treated so badly, they would have left.

Twice always was considered a very close group and the members always said that they really enjoy being in the group and being with each other, after the contract renewel, no one has any right to say otherwise. Not every person is driven by money alone...

 

[Selfmate]

even if only 2 GG renewed with all members... many others still renewed too, even if one or 2 members left, its not as extreme as you make it out to be I'm not trying to say the situation for GG is good after the first 7 years, but its by far not as doom & gloom as you make it out...

Also I think your point with Naeyeon or Sana only being known as Twice Nayeon or Twice Sana is rather strange, if I think about BP or BTS members, they are usually also intoruced as Jennie of BlackPink or RM of BTS, its just how they became famous and the group names in those case are still bigger than those of the individuals.

Yes the Twice members made less money as they could probably, but that narrative that they are some nugus that need to fight for any brand recognition now is absurd tbh. If that was true, they would not be bombarded with brand deals left and right. I feel like I'm posting at least 2 new ones every week..

Also I do not like how you vicimize the Twice members, as if they all got forced into this situation and in reality all wanted to leave but had no choice.. again, if they really felt treated so badly, they would have left.

Twice always was considered a very close group and the members always said that they really enjoy being in the group and being with each other, after the contract renewel, no one has any right to say otherwise. Not every person is driven by money alone...

I'm not saying no members will renew with their original company - that wasn't my point - my point is that not all members will renew with the same company and thus if not all members renew the group is effectively "weakened" or "lessened" - take SNSD for example they still exist but after their contract renewals with some members leaving SM look at how many cb or group activities they've had compare to a group where all the members renew

also I'm not saying it's doom and gloom - my point is (for example I used twice) the members would be in a much better position individually had they had the individual activities - you would agree with this statement no?

why? when jisoo does her solo activities for example acting or with dior no one introduces her as jisoo from BP
when Joy acts or goes on animal farm (or whatever her name is) no one introduces her as joy from RV
they (for the most part) have an individual identity that can be separated out from the group
with all the solo activities twice is starting to get that now but the point is they can be so much bigger had they started earlier

It's not just about the money or mistreatment - never once in my original statement did I say twice was getting mistreated or they are money hungry goblins - my point as always is that they could have been so much bigger (individually) than they are now if they started earlier
this isn't about twice the brand it's about them INDIVIDUALLY - look at the amount of solo activities each twice member has now compared to prior to year 7 it's not rocket science to say twice members wanted and like having individual activities and furthermore the only reason they didn't have those solo activities is because JYPE wouldn't let them (that's my point)

also I'm not saying twice aren't close - mate I've probably seen just as much content about twice than you have if not more - no one is blaming any of the twice members or twice as a group - my issue is as always with JYPE

why do you think my issue is with twice? I like twice they were the second kpop group i discovered after BP and probably watched/heard/seen more twice than any other group - I like seeing dahyun be a global ambassador and chaeyoung and nayeon and sana and etc etc I like them having unit groups like misamo I like nayeon having her solo and jihyo - again what I'm saying is they could have had ALL of that PLUS MORE!!!! but the only reason they couldn't was because of JYPE

 

[Moguri]

I'm not saying no members will renew with their original company - that wasn't my point - my point is that not all members will renew with the same company and thus if not all members renew the group is effectively "weakened" or "lessened" - take SNSD for example they still exist but after their contract renewals with some members leaving SM look at how many cb or group activities they've had compare to a group where all the members renew

also I'm not saying it's doom and gloom - my point is (for example I used twice) the members would be in a much better position individually had they had the individual activities - you would agree with this statement no?

why? when jisoo does her solo activities for example acting or with dior no one introduces her as jisoo from BP
when Joy acts or goes on animal farm (or whatever her name is) no one introduces her as joy from RV
they (for the most part) have an individual identity that can be separated out from the group
with all the solo activities twice is starting to get that now but the point is they can be so much bigger had they started earlier

It's not just about the money or mistreatment - never once in my original statement did I say twice was getting mistreated or they are money hungry goblins - my point as always is that they could have been so much bigger (individually) than they are now if they started earlier
this isn't about twice the brand it's about them INDIVIDUALLY - look at the amount of solo activities each twice member has now compared to prior to year 7 it's not rocket science to say twice members wanted and like having individual activities and furthermore the only reason they didn't have those solo activities is because JYPE wouldn't let them (that's my point)

also I'm not saying twice aren't close - mate I've probably seen just as much content about twice than you have if not more - no one is blaming any of the twice members or twice as a group - my issue is as always with JYPE

why do you think my issue is with twice? I like twice they were the second kpop group i discovered after BP and probably watched/heard/seen more twice than any other group - I like seeing dahyun be a global ambassador and chaeyoung and nayeon and sana and etc etc I like them having unit groups like misamo I like nayeon having her solo and jihyo - again what I'm saying is they could have had ALL of that PLUS MORE!!!! but the only reason they couldn't was because of JYPE

I was wondering why we are having this discussion in the first place, as it seems rather obsolete to me, to discuss if Twice individual brand power would be stronger if they had done more solo activites... but I think I figured it out

JYP wouldn't let twice have solo activities for like 6 years...
he ain't aa good bosss

I only reacted to the statement "he ain't a good boss", saying the Twice members would not have renewed their contract if they believed that too, but you somehow took as it I'm denying the first part.

Based on how SM missmanages all their groups, the ones where members left or stayed (including RV and Aespa), they all randomly do not get comebacks, so thats not as great of an exmample as you may think. Also you said very different things to what you claim now.. you said girl groups have a shelf live and if they don't build their brand in the first 7 years, they are pretty much doomed...

and now given what I said earlier it was I think very strategic of JYP to do what he did because the members of twice didn't get the exposure and as popular as they could have had he given them more solo activities which leads to the twice members renewing because of the lack of opportunities outside of JYP

Also here you claim that Twice only renewed because JYP used that tactic to weaken their brand power, which in turn means, they would not have renewed, if they had stronger indiividual brand power.

So not sure why you act so confused...

 

[Selfmate]

I was wondering why we are having this discussion in the first place, as it seems rather obsolete to me, to discuss if Twice individual brand power would be stronger if they had done more solo activites... but I think I figured it out

I only reacted to the statement "he ain't a good boss", saying the Twice members would not have renewed their contract if they believed that too, but you somehow took as it I'm denying the first part.

Based on how SM missmanages all their groups, the ones where members left or stayed (including RV and Aespa), they all randomly do not get comebacks, so thats not as great of an exmample as you may think. Also you said very different things to what you claim now.. you said girl groups have a shelf live and if they don't build their brand in the first 7 years, they are pretty much doomed...


Also here you claim that Twice only renewed because JYP used that tactic to weaken their brand power, which in turn means, they would not have renewed, if they had stronger indiividual brand power.

So not sure why you act so confused...

I don't know why we're having this discussion now but we are - you want to stop? lol

sorry do you agree with the statement he ain't a good boss or not?

mate I'm not comparing JYP with LSM or bang pd or whatever - where did I say that? I'm also not comparing JYPE with SME or YGE or Big Hit all I'm saying is JYP and JYPE's lack of solo activities for twice

the question isn't about mistreatment or lack or cb - remember what my point was the lack of twice members solo activities
in regards to my bolded point yes - of all the GG in existence tell me the GG which members have all renewed post 1 contract period - and even of the ones that remain as a group whilst going separately tell me the ones that are somewhat success in their promotion of the their group as a group not their own solo activities - not many which is my point for the most part GG have to consider their own brand and own activities outside of the group
I also don't say a member of group is doomed - I'm saying it is so much harder to build a name for oneself after the group's already disbanded...

yes weakened their SOLO individual activities not the group I never said JYPE/JYP weakened the group only the members SOLO activities...the greater the amount of individual power the lesser the change of renewal - tell me I'm wrong
for example BP and RV might not be renewing because the members have so much more solo activities compared to the twice memebers at the same point in time (I use BP and RV because they are twice's contemporaries in the 3rd gen)

 

[Moguri]

I don't know why we're having this discussion now but we are - you want to stop? lol

sorry do you agree with the statement he ain't a good boss or not?

mate I'm not comparing JYP with LSM or bang pd or whatever - where did I say that? I'm also not comparing JYPE with SME or YGE or Big Hit all I'm saying is JYP and JYPE's lack of solo activities for twice

the question isn't about mistreatment or lack or cb - remember what my point was the lack of twice members solo activities
in regards to my bolded point yes - of all the GG in existence tell me the GG which members have all renewed post 1 contract period - and even of the ones that remain as a group whilst going separately tell me the ones that are somewhat success in their promotion of the their group as a group not their own solo activities - not many which is my point for the most part GG have to consider their own brand and own activities outside of the group
I also don't say a member of group is doomed - I'm saying it is so much harder to build a name for oneself after the group's already disbanded...

yes weakened their SOLO individual activities not the group I never said JYPE/JYP weakened the group only the members SOLO activities...the greater the amount of individual power the lesser the change of renewal - tell me I'm wrong
for example BP and RV might not be renewing because the members have so much more solo activities compared to the twice memebers at the same point in time (I use BP and RV because they are twice's contemporaries in the 3rd gen)

I do not agree

I don't know where you said that, but I also don't know where I supposedly mentioned LSM, bang pd or any other producer

take SNSD for example they still exist but after their contract renewals with some members leaving SM look at how many cb or group activities they've had compare to a group where all the members renew

I reacted to this statement, where you are claiming groups where members left have less comebacks.. but now you said this is not about comebacks, ok

No idea what you were trying to say with that middle part

for example BP and RV might not be renewing because the members have so much more solo activities compared to the twice memebers at the same point in time (I use BP and RV because they are twice's contemporaries in the 3rd gen)

maybe, but maybe they just don't want to deal with those companies anymore

 

[Selfmate]

I do not agree

I don't know where you said that, but I also don't know where I supposedly mentioned LSM, bang pd or any other producer


I reacted to this statement, where you are claiming groups where members left have less comebacks.. but now you said this is not about comebacks, ok

No idea what you were trying to say with that middle part


maybe, but maybe they just don't want to deal with those companies anymore

ok how about I start with this question

do you like twice's current individual solo activities?
do you want more of them?
do you agree that the members have much more solo activities from year 7 onwards than the previous 6 years?
did you want twice to have those solo activities in the six years prior to year 7?
then the question is what do you think prevented twice members from having those activities?

 

[Moguri]

ok how about I start with this question

do you like twice's current individual solo activities?
do you want more of them?
do you agree that the members have much more solo activities from year 7 onwards than the previous 6 years?
did you want twice to have those solo activities in the six years prior to year 7?
then the question is what do you think prevented twice members from having those activities?

It does not matter how many ways you find to ask me if I think JYP is a bad boss or if you keep asking me this question every week, I will not change my answer

You fail to understand, that even he personally prevented them, it still does not mean he is a bad boss.

 

[Selfmate]

It does not matter how many ways you find to ask me if I think JYP is a bad boss or if you keep asking me this question every week, I will not change my answer

You fail to understand, that even he personally prevented them, it still does not mean he is a bad boss.

ok I will drop it since you obviously are done with the conversation - no biggie
I did ask you earlier if you wanted to continue this line of conversation

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