Folks complain about SM and girls. (2 Viewers)

[RandAlThor]

Yet every single gg member has an identity both within the group and with out.
Take RV
Each girl has been a perma tv show member.
MC's, Drama, Variety Radio ect. all kinds of work.
The list is not small.
Each girl has had music featuring. while Irenes were only duets with PBG now she has a single.

Fx and SNSD are the same .

No they are not all Taeyeon, Yoona or Jessica but what other agency consistently does as well for its kids?
none that i know of

I cant speak to new bg but up to shinee the same was true with BG's

They ofc are not perfect and do not do what I would wish but they do the job of making sure the members are not single track.
There are times i would stake the A n R team out in the sun :)
Just need to remind myself the glass is more than half full.

 

[yeji]

Super Junior always did multiple things to from Siwon‘s acting gigs ( played in popular dramas) to Kyuhyun on Radio Star

 

[Evergreen]

SM are truly the best at managing their idols solo career. I can see it with EXO.

 

[Ashla_K]

If there's something SM deserves praise for, is how they give opportunities for everyone regardless of the popularity of said idol.

Spoiler: A little shade

YG can't relate

 

[SeulPika]

SNSD and Red Velvet world tours though

 

[RandAlThor]

SNSD and Red Velvet world tours though

fx and touring is going to a mystery until the book comes out.
They had plenty of songs, no visa issues with Victoria or anyone else that i am aware of.

 

[SeulPika]

fx and touring is going to a mystery until the book comes out.
They had plenty of songs, no visa issues with Victoria or anyone else that i am aware of.

I have a whole list of demands that I need to put forward to SM....

- f(x) comeback
- SNSD OT89 comeback
- SNSD world tour
- Red Velvet world tour
- WenSeul subunit debut
- Taeyeon 2nd full album
- Seulgi solo debut
- BlackVelvet collaboration
- Taeyeon x Wendy collaboration
- Channel SNSD Season 2
- Level Up Season 4
- SNSD's own sub label

 

[VillageIdiot]

I have a whole list of demands that I need to put forward to SM....

- f(x) comeback
- SNSD OT89 comeback
- SNSD world tour
- Red Velvet world tour
- WenSeul subunit debut
- Taeyeon 2nd full album
- Seulgi solo debut
- BlackVelvet collaboration
- Taeyeon x Wendy collaboration
- Channel SNSD Season 2
- Level Up Season 4
- SNSD's own sub label

Don't forget Jungsis

 

[RandAlThor]

I have a whole list of demands that I need to put forward to SM....

- f(x) comeback
- SNSD OT89 comeback
- SNSD world tour
- Red Velvet world tour
- WenSeul subunit debut
- Taeyeon 2nd full album
- Seulgi solo debut
- BlackVelvet collaboration
- Taeyeon x Wendy collaboration
- Channel SNSD Season 2
- Level Up Season 4
- SNSD's own sub label

i could get behind all but black velvet :) i just never want that mess.

Hey Krystal at SM town Japan marks the first time since Shanghai 2014 that she will be at sm town .. baby steps indeed.

 

[SeulPika]

Don't forget Jungsis

Ah yes.. They need to release the Jungsis album from its dungeon.

 

[Jimimis]

While losers complain about SM and girls I’ll complain to SM about girls

 

[LoveYooShaSha]

- SNSD's own sub label

I think this shd hv been done in 2017, before the 3 left SM. I wish they had done this if for no other reason we could hv OT8 bk (if the girls wanted SNSD sub-label ofc, I mean Boa n Suju got sth); why not SNSD?

 

[RandAlThor]

I think this shd hv been done in 2017, before the 3 left SM. I wish they had done this if for no other reason we could hv OT8 bk (if the girls wanted SNSD sub-label ofc, I mean Boa n Suju got sth); why not SNSD?

it was very strange. especially as the members continued to release music.
Although i am not sure really how much of a difference it makes. its not like SJ or BoA have released more music since the change.

 

[LoveYooShaSha]

it was very strange. especially as the members continued to release music.
Although i am not sure really how much of a difference it makes. its not like SJ or BoA have released more music since the change.

I hvnt looked into SuJu sub-label but maybe it's to keep them in SM n prevent TVXQ/Shinhwa/EXO situation (if timing was after EXO crisis/split). Same w/Boa as director/watever her position in SM; to keep her in SM.
Wish SM n SNSD had come to similar agreement(especially since I think JYJ, Shinhwa n Highlight -the most successful refugees from labels-hv at least 1member embroiled in sex scandal this year n retired. Unless there's another group who left their label I forgot, who reformed n hv no scandal.)
I mean is there another way for them to remain together?(I feel SM is just fooling us abt OT8 possibility-like with f(x), they don't want to put the nail in the coffin by announcing disbandment/no chance of OT8.)
At least contracts might be ending this year [for f(x)] or next year/or soon for TaeSunYoonHyoYul, so maybe SNSD can pull a Shinhwa or Highlight n reform outside SM. (See my misgivings above abt re-forming without SM/original label n lasting.)

 

[VillageIdiot]

I think this shd hv been done in 2017, before the 3 left SM. I wish they had done this if for no other reason we could hv OT8 bk (if the girls wanted SNSD sub-label ofc, I mean Boa n Suju got sth); why not SNSD?

Super Junior and BoA were both at the point of their careers where they knew they wanted music in the long run, could do it themselves and didn't pose a threat to anyone whenever they came back.

Female idols just don't have the shelf life that make idols do. Honestly, SNSD hasn't been the members priority since 2015, they've always wanted their own individual things and SM couldn't remember provide that to everyone, especially SooSeo

It's easier for them to be under an acting label and release music than be under an idol music label and be actresses. Seohyun didn't have significant success as a solo, she just had the physical sales that comes with the SNSD title, she can take that wherever she goes. Sooyoung wasn't that popular and Tiffany's reputation is Korea was decimated so they really didn't need SM either. The only SNSD members to make significant headway as an actress were Yoona and Yuri, to an extent.

Seohyun and Sooyoung have had a lot of success these last few years as actresses and while Tiffany hasn't found success as an actress like she initially wanted, she is making headway as a solo

 

[LoveYooShaSha]

Super Junior and BoA were both at the point of their careers where they knew they wanted music in the long run, could do it themselves and didn't pose a threat to anyone whenever they came back.

Female idols just don't have the shelf life that make idols do. Honestly, SNSD hasn't been the members priority since 2015, they've always wanted their own individual things and SM couldn't remember provide that to everyone, especially SooSeo

It's easier for them to be under an acting label and release music than be under an idol music label and be actresses. Seohyun didn't have significant success as a solo, she just had the physical sales that comes with the SNSD title, she can take that wherever she goes. Sooyoung wasn't that popular and Tiffany's reputation is Korea was decimated so they really didn't need SM either. The only SNSD members to make significant headway as an actress were Yoona and Yuri, to an extent.

Seohyun and Sooyoung have had a lot of success these last few years as actresses and while Tiffany hasn't found success as an actress like she initially wanted, she is making headway as a solo

I lowkey hate how analytical n practical ur being here. I want my OT8 (n don't care abt the reality.)
Can u also do this analytical thing with Red Velvet n tell me how likely they r to stay together for ten years?(if I remember, only Joy n Irene act right? Seulgi, Wendy n Yeri seem like music only focus-will they last ten or more years, too?) Maybe make a thread abt this? Enquiring minds want to know (n whether to stan them long term or not?)

 

[VillageIdiot]

I lowkey hate how analytical n practical ur being here. I want my OT8 (n don't care abt the reality.)
Can u also do this analytical thing with Red Velvet n tell me how likely they r to stay together for ten years?(if I remember, only Joy n Irene act right? Seulgi, Wendy n Yeri seem like music only focus-will they last ten or more years, too?) Maybe make a thread abt this? Enquiring minds want to know (n whether to stan them long term or not?)

I still have hope that we'll get a single every now and then even if it's not a comeback

With RV, it really depends. Tragic titles aside, they're going really strong for their fifth year. SNSD had stopped doing multiple Kcomebacks a year after 2010, they were more focused on solo activities and Japanese promotions. Red Velvet is more than likely going to have a couple more comebacks this year

It's probably going to be a while before Joy gets another acting role. If she doesn't take some classes and try to improve, SM is her best option, she isn't leaving. She could go solo

Yeri, Wendy and Seulgi could go either way in terms of music and acting.

If I had to guess, Yeri and Seulgi could have a lot of success as soloists (pray for Seulo

All in all, Red Velvet is a lot more group centric than SNSD and f(x), I think they could last as long as SNSD without as many hiatuses, maybe more touring tho
I'd give them 8 years min

With their full lineup is the real question...

Regardless, I say go for it. if their music suits you, why not

 

[LoveYooShaSha]

I still have hope that we'll get a single every now and then even if it's not a comeback

With RV, it really depends. Tragic titles aside, they're going really strong for their fifth year. SNSD had stopped doing multiple Kcomebacks a year after 2010, they were more focused on solo activities and Japanese promotions. Red Velvet is more than likely going to have a couple more comebacks this year

It's probably going to be a while before Joy gets another acting role. If she doesn't take some classes and try to improve, SM is her best option, she isn't leaving. She could go solo

Yeri, Wendy and Seulgi could go either way in terms of music and acting.

If I had to guess, Yeri and Seulgi could have a lot of success as soloists (pray for Seulo

All in all, Red Velvet is a lot more group centric than SNSD and f(x), I think they could last as long as SNSD without as many hiatuses, maybe more touring tho
I'd give them 8 years min

With their full lineup is the real question...

Regardless, I say go for it. if their music suits you, why not

To really stan(my definition) them I'd hv to listen to their whole discography n watch most of their variety. Rn I've only watched very little n not motivated to watch much more. Also only interested in Wendy n Seulgi (Joy Irene n Yeri I don't know much abt them) but not enuf to watch/search for their varieties.
If I thot they would last ten years together, I might spend time watching n catching up. S'why I asked u.
(If SNSD only has singles once a year, Id be so sad.) but I might be ok if they had a OT9 20th (or 15th) anniversary reunion/comeback(only a few more years[8 or 3] to go.

 

[VillageIdiot]

To really stan(my definition) them I'd hv to listen to their whole discography n watch most of their variety. Rn I've only watched very little n not motivated to watch much more. Also only interested in Wendy n Seulgi (Joy Irene n Yeri I don't know much abt them) but not enuf to watch/search for their varieties.
If I thot they would last ten years together, I might spend time watching n catching up. S'why I asked u.
(If SNSD only has singles once a year, Id be so sad.) but I might be ok if they had a OT9 20th (or 15th) anniversary reunion/comeback(only a few more years[8 or 3] to go.

Most idol girl groups don't last 10 years. Red Velvet might be the exception but you can never really know
Nothing is really guaranteed
2-3 more years is pretty great too, that's all the time I had with Soshi before TiffSooSeo left but I cherish it

 

[RandAlThor]

To really stan(my definition) them I'd hv to listen to their whole discography n watch most of their variety. Rn I've only watched very little n not motivated to watch much more. Also only interested in Wendy n Seulgi (Joy Irene n Yeri I don't know much abt them) but not enuf to watch/search for their varieties.
If I thot they would last ten years together, I might spend time watching n catching up. S'why I asked u.
(If SNSD only has singles once a year, Id be so sad.) but I might be ok if they had a OT9 20th (or 15th) anniversary reunion/comeback(only a few more years[8 or 3] to go.

Watch the level up seasons, at least give 1 a shot. I really like those. WI and IR are worth it too. While they are not SNSD, RV does very well if they know the hosts.