3rd/4th gen ggs and the main difference i think that 1st/2nd gen ggs dont have is inter-group/inter-company friendship/mentorship across generations!! (1 Viewer)

[LoveYooShaSha]

3rd/4th gen ggs and the main difference i think that 1st/2nd gen ggs dont have is inter-group/inter-company friendship/mentorship across generations!

So what i mean is that lately, mostly this year (but maybe it started earlier n i just nvr noticed it b4) iv been seeing a lot of inter-company/inter-group/cross-generation mentorships/friendships in kpop ggs. Eg:


There's also IU n her fan-girling over Oh My Girl on her web show n numerous other examples. Now , what i think the difference was between why 1st/2nd gen ggs arent as close knit is becos by the time 2nd gen debuted, most of the 1st gen ggs were disbanded/on hiatus/gone on to solo careers like Lee Hyori, Yoon Eunhye n so many others.

Also why 2nd gen didnt hv the same inter-company/inter-group friendships/relationships except maybe 1 -SNSD/f(x), was becos it was too competitive n they/the companies tried to control or otherwise convince the ggs it was a 'Hunger Games' type market, where only 1 could be the champion(altho it turned tat the pie kept getting bigger n if only the ggs hadnt self-destructed themselves mostly, they could hv helped each other achieve longevity n even more success but only at the cost of their companies losing out). Or so it seems to me.

If you watch the above video, do you agree tat 3rd gen/4th gen ggs are more close-knit than 1st/2nd gen ggs? Do you agree with my statement tat 2nd gen ggs mostly self-destructed themselves by hving a winner-take-all mentality fostered by their companies/fans? Do you love how inter-group/inter-company ggs of 3rd/4th gen can hv friendships n mentorships with other groups/companies' members now?

Tell me if u agree or disagree with my questions, or where im wrong with my statements/errors in my presumption of facts.

 

[LoveYooShaSha]

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[RandAlThor]

@nd gen members got along too. like most today they all went to the same high schools so they knew each other.
Kara and snsd were always super close.
Then you had things like IY1 and those members still stay in touch.
There were many more tv shows that mixed groups un or had multiple groups on.

It is true the 1 gens were long long gone basically wosoka restarted the industry gg wise.
BEG was a also 06 an d jewlery went on a long time, but even as a 2nd gen person ya almost never say or heard of em.
Sunmi for example was always a big Taeyeon fan .

There was just less instant media to document it.

 

[LoveYooShaSha]

@nd gen members got along too. like most today they all went to the same high schools so they knew each other.
Kara and snsd were always super close.
Then you had things like IY1 and those members still stay in touch.
There were many more tv shows that mixed groups un or had multiple groups on.

It is true the 1 gens were long long gone basically wosoka restarted the industry gg wise.
BEG was a also 06 an d jewlery went on a long time, but even as a 2nd gen person ya almost never say or heard of em.
Sunmi for example was always a big Taeyeon fan .

There was just less instant media to document it.

I was thinking more of how Yeri, Irene, Rose from the competing big 3 ggs are friendly, whereas SNSD, 2NE1 n Miss A were, if not unfriendly, still competitive n couldnt show too much closeness either becos their companies dint allow it or the fans would hate them for it-including Wonder Girls ofc, funny how WG n Miss A also nvr seemed close despite being under the same company, unless im mistaken n they interacted as friends outside work too.

IY1 n subsequent shows which had multiple ggs' members as rotating or permanent guests like Roommates tv show with Park Bom n Sunny had them on separate seasons, for reasons i can only speculate about. Nana, Youngji and Chanyeol werent directly competitive or threatening to 2NE1 or SNSD, in the way im thinking of, which may explain why they/their companies all agreed to be on the same show at the same time. I mean, even Nayeon appeared on Yeri's web show n i expect its YG tat blocks Rosé, Jennie, Jisoo or Lis from appearing with Yeri if they wanted to. (Ok i was wrong abt IY2 where Suzy was on together with Hyo n Sunny for most of a year ot six mths together).

Still i think tat 3rd gen ggs are closer now than 1st n 2nd gen were, or inter-company/inter-group ggs members then. My prime example being Chungha, Sana, n all their friends being together at the same place for a gathering/celebration, unless the circumstances is the only thing different becos we would hv nvr found out if they hadnt had to be tested. Still i believe its rarer for 2nd gen ggs members to hv/or now be as close as tat. You can tell me im wrong or naive to think its so, ofc. Im just thinking of the other show i watched Miss Back n the YJS Refund Sisters eps where Uhm Jung Hwa, Hyori, Jessi n Hwasa were close n friendly; or for tat matter a rare 1st gen/2nd gen example i just rmbrd, hyori's bnb where Hyori n IU, then hyori n Yoona got closer. N provably so cos they got caught out when netizens scolded them earlier this yr for goibg out to karaoke together. All this is just my speculation ofc, n may be my naivete in believing the public outings where they revealed wat they wanted/or wat couldnt be hidden as in the most recent chungha n friends gathering, maybe they been friends (not specifically chungha, but 2nd gen gg members) n been meeting all along, but in tat case the cast of Miss Back , including T-ara Soyeon, werent part of it. For tat matter, Soyeon gidle seems to work with/contribute/write songs for/with lots of different grps not under CUBE, i think n tat kinda lends credence to my underlying hypothesis.

 

[RandAlThor]

I was thinking more of how Yeri, Irene, Rose from the competing big 3 ggs are friendly, whereas SNSD, 2NE1 n Miss A were, if not unfriendly, still competitive n couldnt show too much closeness either becos their companies dint allow it or the fans would hate them for it-including Wonder Girls ofc, funny how WG n Miss A also nvr seemed close despite being under the same company, unless im mistaken n they interacted as friends outside work too.

IY1 n subsequent shows which had multiple ggs' members as rotating or permanent guests like Roommates tv show with Park Bom n Sunny had them on separate seasons, for reasons i can only speculate about. Nana, Youngji and Chanyeol werent directly competitive or threatening to 2NE1 or SNSD, in the way im thinking of, which may explain why they/their companies all agreed to be on the same show at the same time. I mean, even Nayeon appeared on Yeri's web show n i expect its YG tat blocks Rosé, Jennie, Jisoo or Lis from appearing with Yeri if they wanted to. (Ok i was wrong abt IY2 where Suzy was on together with Hyo n Sunny for most of a year ot six mths together).

Still i think tat 3rd gen ggs are closer now than 1st n 2nd gen were, or inter-company/inter-group ggs members then. My prime example being Chungha, Sana, n all their friends being together at the same place for a gathering/celebration, unless the circumstances is the only thing different becos we would hv nvr found out if they hadnt had to be tested. Still i believe its rarer for 2nd gen ggs members to hv/or now be as close as tat. You can tell me im wrong or naive to think its so, ofc. Im just thinking of the other show i watched Miss Back n the YJS Refund Sisters eps where Uhm Jung Hwa, Hyori, Jessi n Hwasa were close n friendly; or for tat matter a rare 1st gen/2nd gen example i just rmbrd, hyori's bnb where Hyori n IU, then hyori n Yoona got closer. N provably so cos they got caught out when netizens scolded them earlier this yr for goibg out to karaoke together. All this is just my speculation ofc, n may be my naivete in believing the public outings where they revealed wat they wanted/or wat couldnt be hidden as in the most recent chungha n friends gathering, maybe they been friends (not specifically chungha, but 2nd gen gg members) n been meeting all along, but in tat case the cast of Miss Back , including T-ara Soyeon, werent part of it. For tat matter, Soyeon gidle seems to work with/contribute/write songs for/with lots of different grps not under CUBE, i think n tat kinda lends credence to my underlying hypothesis.

far as i know 21 were friends with no one because of YG.
Miss A is a 4 year junior group to snsd that is a long time in kpop.
Sooyoung and Sun were close but WG went to America and things got weird.
KARA and SNSD were close from the beginning. Hara was one of the only celebs to hang with Jessica after the split, tiffany hung out with her and she is besties with Seohyun.

Strangely Some Sistar and SNSD members got really close. Seo with Soyou and Tiffany with Bora to the point that Bora was at ot9 gatherings.

Tiffany was close with alot she was the social butterfly.

Fx now those girls were networked . Amber was friends' with everyone who had heard of English. The 94's had a group of 94 idol friends. Jiyoung kara IU ect.

now of course there are more groups and they can get together more with cell phones .

 

[yeji]

I honestly think gen1 was hella competitive and back then all want to be mysterious and haven’t interacted at all .... like the rivalary between sechskies and H.O.T was intense and even got to the fans in a way that isn’t seen now. But now they are super close and interact regularly

 

[LoveYooShaSha]

I honestly think gen1 was hella competitive and back then all want to be mysterious and haven’t interacted at all .... like the rivalary between sechskies and H.O.T was intense and even got to the fans in a way that isn’t seen now. But now they are super close and interact regularly

My theory is they felt competitive with each other then, but realised after getting older they were being forgotten by the younger generations n needed to earn their fans bk so one way is to be friendly-er with their old rivals n combine whoever is left of their fans n multiply their respective support, i rmbrd wrongly-it was this:
"Moon, his H.O.T. bandmate Tony An and three members of disbanded or inactive fellow first-generation idol groups Eun Ji-won of Sechs Kies, Danny Ahn of g.o.d and Chun Myung-hoon of NRG starred in their own variety-reality television show Handsome Boys of the 20th Century. He had conceived the idea following the success of Reply 1997 and invited the four other entertainers, all of whom were born in the same year (1978), to star in a reality version of the show. They called their "group" HOTSechgodRG, which is made up of each of their idol group names.

They have since appeared on shows such as KBS's Happy Together SBS's Running Man. Due to the reuniting of Eun's group Sechs Kies and Danny Ahn's group g.o.d, they have not appeared as a five-some since the 2014 show Where is My Superhero?, which aired on OnStyle, due to busy schedules but remain close friends. The group, except Eun, most recently met at Moon's bachelor party which was shown on Mom's Diary - My Ugly Duckling, the reality show that Tony An was participating in."

This show, 'Handsome Boys of the 20th Century':
"Reception and impact
The show received considerable attention amongst long-time fans of the four groups and international netizens, especially after the episode of Immortal Songs: Singing the Legend which HOTSechgodRG participated in was broadcast and a subtitled version uploaded on YouTube by KBS World. Reception was generally positive as many long-time observers and fans commented that during the 1990s and early 2000s, members from different groups (especially H.O.T. and Sechs Kies) collaborating for a television show was inconceivable back then due to the highly exclusive nature of the industry and such interactions had been discouraged. According to the AGB Nielsen ratings, the first season had an average rating of 1.974% (a rating above 1% is considered a success for a cable channel in South Korea).

Riding on the increased interest in first-generation groups, DSP Media announced in November 2013 that its "DSP Festival" concert in December would also feature disbanded first-generation groups Sechs Kies and Click-B alongside current artists. Rumors also began circulating that HOTSechgodRG's respective idol groups would be reuniting;[15] g.o.d came out of hiatus in May 2014 while Sechs Kies, pioneering girl group S.E.S. and NRG all reunited between 2016 and 2017."

The reception n aftermath seems to be why 1st gen bgs reunited n hv good relationships now with each other, Cynically i could say in 2013-2014, they needed to regain their fan base n successfully did so. But similar situation for 1st gen ggs dint happen. So only after 2013 on the verge of 3rd gen did the situation change, i would say. N not for 2nd gen or 1st gen ggs tho.

The only 1st gen gg i know who did so is in 2020 with Refund Sisters Hyori, Level Up Thrilling Project with Kim WanSun n Miss Back with Baek Z Young, so far. (Hyori dont seem in ctc with her former group mates in FinKL at all even.) Mostly its 3rd n 4th gen ggs i think. Hence my OP n thread title. I could be wrong tho.

 

[yeji]

My theory is they felt competitive with each other then, but realised after getting older they were being forgotten by the younger generations n needed to earn their fans bk so one way is to be friendly-er with their old rivals n combine whoever is left of their fans n multiply their respective support, i rmbrd wrongly-it was this:
"Moon, his H.O.T. bandmate Tony An and three members of disbanded or inactive fellow first-generation idol groups Eun Ji-won of Sechs Kies, Danny Ahn of g.o.d and Chun Myung-hoon of NRG starred in their own variety-reality television show Handsome Boys of the 20th Century. He had conceived the idea following the success of Reply 1997 and invited the four other entertainers, all of whom were born in the same year (1978), to star in a reality version of the show. They called their "group" HOTSechgodRG, which is made up of each of their idol group names.

They have since appeared on shows such as KBS's Happy Together SBS's Running Man. Due to the reuniting of Eun's group Sechs Kies and Danny Ahn's group g.o.d, they have not appeared as a five-some since the 2014 show Where is My Superhero?, which aired on OnStyle, due to busy schedules but remain close friends. The group, except Eun, most recently met at Moon's bachelor party which was shown on Mom's Diary - My Ugly Duckling, the reality show that Tony An was participating in."

This show, 'Handsome Boys of the 20th Century':
"Reception and impact
The show received considerable attention amongst long-time fans of the four groups and international netizens, especially after the episode of Immortal Songs: Singing the Legend which HOTSechgodRG participated in was broadcast and a subtitled version uploaded on YouTube by KBS World. Reception was generally positive as many long-time observers and fans commented that during the 1990s and early 2000s, members from different groups (especially H.O.T. and Sechs Kies) collaborating for a television show was inconceivable back then due to the highly exclusive nature of the industry and such interactions had been discouraged. According to the AGB Nielsen ratings, the first season had an average rating of 1.974% (a rating above 1% is considered a success for a cable channel in South Korea).

Riding on the increased interest in first-generation groups, DSP Media announced in November 2013 that its "DSP Festival" concert in December would also feature disbanded first-generation groups Sechs Kies and Click-B alongside current artists. Rumors also began circulating that HOTSechgodRG's respective idol groups would be reuniting;[15] g.o.d came out of hiatus in May 2014 while Sechs Kies, pioneering girl group S.E.S. and NRG all reunited between 2016 and 2017."

The reception n aftermath seems to be why 1st gen bgs reunited n hv good relationships now with each other, Cynically i could say in 2013-2014, they needed to regain their fan base n successfully did so. But similar situation for 1st gen ggs dint happen. So only after 2013 on the verge of 3rd gen did the situation change, i would say. N not for 2nd gen or 1st gen ggs tho.

The only 1st gen gg i know who did so is in 2020 with Refund Sisters Hyori, Level Up Thrilling Project with Kim WanSun n Miss Back with Baek Z Young, so far. (Hyori dont seem in ctc with her former group mates in FinKL at all even.) Mostly its 3rd n 4th gen ggs i think. Hence my OP n thread title. I could be wrong tho.

that all is pretty true

but Jaeduck, Suwon and Tony started to be friends after military and Duck and Tony have been living with each other for years after that too.

 

[RandAlThor]

To you argument
I think the kids today are just more connected.
This is just a few of the 99's



This kind of opportunity did not exist until now.

 

[LoveYooShaSha]

far as i know 21 were friends with no one because of YG.
Miss A is a 4 year junior group to snsd that is a long time in kpop.
Sooyoung and Sun were close but WG went to America and things got weird.
KARA and SNSD were close from the beginning. Hara was one of the only celebs to hang with Jessica after the split, tiffany hung out with her and she is besties with Seohyun.

Strangely Some Sistar and SNSD members got really close. Seo with Soyou and Tiffany with Bora to the point that Bora was at ot9 gatherings.

Tiffany was close with alot she was the social butterfly.

Fx now those girls were networked . Amber was friends' with everyone who had heard of English. The 94's had a group of 94 idol friends. Jiyoung kara IU ect.

now of course there are more groups and they can get together more with cell phones .

I keep overlooking the Soshi-Sistar bond cos i was late in becoming a SONE only in 2018, even tho i watched TTS variety show n i think even posted abt Tif's 2018 ice-cream birthday party where Bora was kinda there like a staff who helped out, it gets dropped from my mind unless reminded like now. (The rest are truly heartwarming but also lowkey different, in tat its kinda backgrounded ig,whereas now its kinda more prominent for watever reason)

that all is pretty true

but Jaeduck, Suwon and Tony started to be friends after military and Duck and Tony have been living with each other for years after that too.

They were all guys which is wat i was talking abt, other than the exceptions rand talked abt-most ggs/idols arent as close as these guys.

To you argument
I think the kids today are just more connected.
This is just a few of the 99's



This kind of opportunity did not exist until now.

Yeri, Nayeon, Rosé n maybe a few others now, seem like a kinda nexus of kpop idol/gg friendships-their networks seem to be building until there's gonna be like a six degrees of separation similar to kevin bacon, only its gonna be which idol connects to the most other artists? Im not the one to investigate this, tho. I just started the question, someone else can do all the hard work n reposrt bk here, LOL. Also Hyeri seems to be also n a few others i cant recall rn.