Has Taeyeon Transition From Idol To Artist? (4 Viewers)

[planetarium]

No. Artists are people who create. Idols are created so you can say the people behind the creation of the groups are artists themselves ^^

I'm curious, why do you only see creating the art as something artists do, but not executing it?

 

[Walnutt]

No. Artists are people who create. Idols are created so you can say the people behind the creation of the groups are artists themselves ^^

I personally prefer this definition of artist. An artist doesn't have to create in order to make it their own. The songs may be written and produced for them but, in my opinion, idols are still artists because their individual talents contribute to the finished product

 

[Darkyoda47]

Listen hoe

And here I thought you were an Eunwoo solo stan

 

[VillageIdiot]

And here I thought you were an Eunwoo solo stan

They have good songs
I just don't care about 85% of members

 

[Darkyoda47]

I'm curious, why do you only see creating the art as something artists do, but not executing it?

I personally prefer this definition of artist. An artist doesn't have to create in order to make it their own. The songs may be written and produced for them but, in my opinion, idols are still artists because their individual talents contribute to the finished product

Spoiler

LOL guys I'm only trying to rebuttal your arguments to get a debate going. I don't really give two shits who's an idol and who's not xD.

 

[Walnutt]

Spoiler

LOL guys I'm only trying to rebuttal your arguments to get a debate going. I don't really give two shits who's an idol and who's not xD.

I'm not triggered lol. I was enjoying having a debate with you about it

 

[Darkyoda47]

They have good songs
I just don't care about 85% of members

Sounds like 85% of the groups you "stan"

 

[planetarium]

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LOL guys I'm only trying to rebuttal your arguments to get a debate going. I don't really give two shits who's an idol and who's not xD.

I was honestly curious, not trying to be mean and argue or anything, lol.

 

[VillageIdiot]

Sounds like 85% of the groups you "stan"

 

[Darkyoda47]

I'm not triggered lol. I was enjoying having a debate with you about it

Oh in that case;

I personally prefer this definition of artist. An artist doesn't have to create in order to make it their own. The songs may be written and produced for them but, in my opinion, idols are still artists because their individual talents contribute to the finished product

Artist by definition are people who create. Idols are molded since the youngest age to become products that appeal to the mass teenage market. They're given a gimmick, they're trained in the way they sing and dance. Most vocals don't even have their own sound, they're given a tone in which they're suppose to train to sound like. Calling them "artist" is questionable since the art was already created and all they had to do was wear and perform it.

 

[Darkyoda47]

I was honestly curious, not trying to be mean and argue or anything, lol.

I will answer ^^

I'm curious, why do you only see creating the art as something artists do, but not executing it?

I mean when you sing someone else's song or dance to someone else's choreography, can you really call yourself an artist?

 

[Darkyoda47]

That's what I thought

 

[planetarium]

I mean when you sing someone else's song or dance to someone else's choreography, can you really call yourself an artist?

Yeah, exactly. I mean, these people do train for years to execute everything perfectly and in the end they do bring their own colour to the performance, so aren't they in a way a part of the art creating process? Like the creators lay the groundwork and the idols bring the art to life?

At least that's how I see it, I guess it's a bit hard to make out the difference.

 

[Darkyoda47]

Yeah, exactly. I mean, these people do train for years to execute everything perfectly and in the end they do bring their own colour to the performance, so aren't they in a way a part of the art creating process? Like the creators lay the groundwork and the idols bring the art to life?

At least that's how I see it, I guess it's a bit hard to make out the difference.

That's my point though. They don't have a "color". That "color" is constructed by the company for them. Everything, and I mean everything down to the words they say is decided for them beforehand. Only after like 3-4 years of being an idol are they allowed some breathing space.

It's hard to make out the difference. Like I said in my OP, labeling someone as an idol and not an artist comes with stigma, which is ridiculous because idols work just as hard as anyone else to their jobs well.

 

[planetarium]

That's my point though. They don't have a "color". That "color" is constructed by the company for them. Everything, and I mean everything down to the words they say is decided for them beforehand. Only after like 3-4 years of being an idol are they allowed some breathing space.

It's hard to make out the difference. Like I said in my OP, labeling someone as an idol and not an artist comes with stigma, which is ridiculous because idols work just as hard as anyone else to their jobs well.

Yeah, I see what you mean. Some companies obviously let their groups participate more than others, so it's hard to group them all under the same label. Not to mention that we don't know how much happens behind the scenes and who actually participates and how much. Hard to say.

Let's just love everyone equally and give up the labels.

 

[Darkyoda47]

Yeah, I see what you mean. Some companies obviously let their groups participate more than others, so it's hard to group them all under the same label. Not to mention that we don't know how much happens behind the scenes and who actually participates and how much. Hard to say.

Let's just love everyone equally and give up the labels.

Yesssss

 

[RandAlThor]

No. Artists are people who create. Idols are created so you can say the people behind the creation of the groups are artists themselves ^^

I do not agree with this.
Almost every single opera/ musical performer in existence let alone the recording artists fits that description.

Your definition is too narrow.

Webster has
artist
noun
art·ist | \ ˈär-tist \
Definition of artist

1a obsolete : one skilled or versed in learned arts
barchaic : PHYSICIAN
carchaic : ARTISAN sense 1
2a: one who professes and practices an imaginative art
b: a person skilled in one of the fine arts
3: a skilled performer
especially : ARTISTE
4: one who is adept at something
con artist
strikeout artist

if i may add. An artist also brings work to life. words/ music on a page may be art, but the synergy between
the vocalist, the dance, the team, the expressions and all the other aspects of preforming create.

 

[Darkyoda47]

I do not agree with this.
Almost every single opera/ musical star in existence let alone the recording artists fits that description.
Your definition is too narrow.
Webster has
artist
noun
art·ist | \ ˈär-tist \
Definition of artist

1a obsolete : one skilled or versed in learned arts
barchaic : PHYSICIAN
carchaic : ARTISAN sense 1
2a: one who professes and practices an imaginative art
b: a person skilled in one of the fine arts
3: a skilled performer
especially : ARTISTE
4: one who is adept at something
con artist
strikeout artist

if i may add. An artist also brings work to life. words music on a page may be art, but the synergy between
the vocalist, the dance, the team, the expressions and all the other aspects of preforming create.

I agree. BUT, for the sake of debate I was disagreeing xD

 

[yeji]

honestly who care about categories when it comes to Taeyeon or SNSD? The music speaks for itself. And really anyone that sings with such emotions like Taeyeon deserves respect by everyone.

 

[NogaNono]

I think so. I mean, plenty of singers don’t compose their own music. Besides, she’s really matured a lot since her idol days and she’s found her direction and what type of music she wants to be singing. If that’s not being an artist then I don’t know what is.

Honestly, I don’t really think it’s fair to call SNSD an “idol group” anymore. They're just a group. All of the girls have really become adults and have found what paths they want to go down. They’ve grown up a lot.