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i have a hot take i discussed with a long time friend and he agreed.

r/pists and ch/ld m0lestors should be executed when we start reaching a true peak of overpopulation. i mean some prisoners already murder ch/ld m0lestors (deserved), it would make a dent in the population.

any other suggestions?


edit: when i said "i believe we should start now" (edited out), i did not mean shooting them all willy nilly. lawd.
 
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Wow, this is one even I'm smart enough not to touch with a 10,000 ft pole. Hitler and Stalin started with the same idea. That turned out so well for the world.
 
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Wow, this is one even I'm smart enough not to touch with a 10,000 ft pole. Hitler and Stalin started with the same idea. That turned out so well for the world.
hence me saying hot take lmao. even though it is a pretty widely accepted opinion. this thread itself was inspired by the news of a california inmate killing two ch/ld molest0rs and the general reaction being, and i quote from under the tweet:
"not all heroes wear capes"
"no crime was committed"
"early parole for him is what he deserves"
"you see? there is redemption. it may not be man's law but it is gods law. if that term is too touchy for you, i'll just call it natural law"
"defending children from sexual predators is not murder, it is defending the innocent. that is noble"

i guess the world is fucked because thousands of people with "hitler" "stalin" ideology are running around, hm? i'm not even going to bother explaining how this is different than hitler and stalin at all. neither am i going to bother getting into a moral and ethics argument when i asked a simple question. some people will die on the devil's advocate hill and it's a difference of opinion at the end of the day.
 
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Wow, this is one even I'm smart enough not to touch with a 10,000 ft pole. Hitler and Stalin started with the same idea. That turned out so well for the world.
Hitler was looking for political scapegoats not getting rid of child molesters during an overpop crisis lmao
 
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I think what you'll see in the replies is mentions of how what you're proposing is akin to eugenics in some way. Panda already implied this. However I disagree with them, violent criminals are a waste of life, pedos are a waste of air. I don't care to entertain the idea that its a "cruel and unusual punishment" because frankly the american judicial system isnt concerned with morals and runs on stare decisis making many court decisions outdated and not reflective of todays' society.

Overpopulation ties in heavily with poverty and ignorance. Bringing education to struggling populations and helping them build up their societies is the better long term solution I think, but thats putting too much faith into the rich who really could care less if we all kicked the bucket tmrw
 
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I think what you'll see in the replies is mentions of how what you're proposing is akin to eugenics in some way. Panda already implied this. However I disagree with them, violent criminals are a waste of life, pedos are a waste of air. I don't care to entertain the idea that its a "cruel and unusual punishment" because frankly the american judicial system isnt concerned with morals and runs on stare decisis making many court decisions outdated and not reflective of todays' society.

Overpopulation ties in heavily with poverty and ignorance. Bringing education to struggling populations and helping them build up their societies is the better long term solution I think, but thats putting too much faith into the rich who really could care less if we all kicked the bucket tmrw
i fear this may be the only well-read and considerate reply i'll get here lmao.

i don't know if it's bc i'm a victim myself, but i have zero sympathy. none. for pedos, rapists, etc.
if we reach a point of dangerous overpopulation, they should not be around, point blank. all the education on the subjects i've gotten still can't prepare me to understand how anyone could take a "bleeding heart" (not in the liberal connotation btw) stance on this in the name of morale. as if the government wouldn't be totally different and probably beyond fucked by then. an opinion that actually warrants backlash would be this same opinion but replace pedos, rapists, etc. with low wage/lower class workers (which is sadly probably what'll happen when the world gets that far), but instead this opinion (one in the OP) proposes death to people who actually deserve it? when the world is in absolute crisis? all in all it's a very interesting yet incredibly sad concept. it would be nice to (as you said) bring the education you were speaking of to those struggling populations, but i'm pretty sure the elite literally do not give two fucks.

huh. so either this is a very popular opinion on just twt, or maybe there's a silent population on here that somewhat agrees, because i'm watching the views rn. very interesting.
 

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This might sound crazy, but I’d strongly advocate for more education and to just wait and let take it’s course. Okay, think about countries that first come to mind when you think of well off countries that are doing decent. What do most of them have in common? These are countries where education about all sorts of topics is readily available. Now, look at the birth rate for these countries. Most of them have a birth rate at around 2 children per couple or less. Of course there are countless exceptions, but they’re exceptions, not the rule.

Now, look at the flip side of the coin: poorer countries. These places sadly don’t have as much education about certain topics, including raising children and how many to have or why, or maybe it’s a cultural or religious thing for them. Their birth rates tend to be much higher on average. See where I’m going with this by now?

This is why I suggest more education as the solution. Things to include in this education are the pros and cons of having only a couple kids, to having up to a dozen, how to use contraception and birth control, where to find these items, family planning, and so on. These things may seem obvious to us, but that’s because of the vast knowledge of the internet and the type of culture we were most likely raised in to an extent. If other people who don’t know about these things are made aware of them, it’ll help the birth rate go down on it’s own.

What makes me so sure this will work? Think about this logically. If you have two children (or even only one) per couple as opposed to many more, here are a few of the benefits: it costs less to raise all of your children, it puts less work/strain on the parents, since they have fewer kids to take care of (don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that parenting will suddenly be easy for them, quite the opposite, but it won’t be as difficult in comparison), if they use protection, they can still enjoy themselves and not worry as much about having more children because of it and so on. There’s very few downsides to the family when you think about it, and mostly only positives, as long as the children stay healthy.




Now, the elephant in the room: contraceptives are expensive and many people don’t have access to them. However, if this can be explained how it connects back to reducing the population in a humane way (no one unnecessarily dies, and the population levels out to a lower level on its own over the course of a few decades), and will in turn help the environment, I’m sure a few organizations would be willing to donate some contraception to these countries who may not have as much access to them.

However, there’s a few things to not do that should be considered while doing this. Make sure that the education in question never comes across as condescending or as a “white knight” or anything like that, keep it kind and professional. If a family you’re talking to hears you out and still wants to have a bunch of children, let them. Focus on the big picture, not hyper focus on individual families or shaming them for the choices they make. Don’t make it a law to have less than X amount of children. It’ll create a ton of backlash and anger, some people will secretly break it anyway, and it’s not okay to ever force a choice like that on anyone. Simply present them with the education and access to contraceptives, maybe some family planning, and leave it at that.

Edit: Sorry if I sound condescending myself while I said this, that was not my intention, I just wanted to explain it throughly and simply in case someone here wasn’t already familiar with the idea or how it would work. My sincere apologies if it isn’t interpreted that way.
 
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i fear this may be the only well-read and considerate reply i'll get here lmao.

i don't know if it's bc i'm a victim myself, but i have zero sympathy. none. for pedos, rapists, etc.
if we reach a point of dangerous overpopulation, they should not be around, point blank. all the education on the subjects i've gotten still can't prepare me to understand how anyone could take a "bleeding heart" (not in the liberal connotation btw) stance on this in the name of morale. as if the government wouldn't be totally different and probably beyond fucked by then. an opinion that actually warrants backlash would be this same opinion but replace pedos, rapists, etc. with low wage/lower class workers (which is sadly probably what'll happen when the world gets that far), but instead this opinion (one in the OP) proposes death to people who actually deserve it? when the world is in absolute crisis? all in all it's a very interesting yet incredibly sad concept. it would be nice to (as you said) bring the education you were speaking of to those struggling populations, but i'm pretty sure the elite literally do not give two fucks.

huh. so either this is a very popular opinion on just twt, or maybe there's a silent population on here that somewhat agrees, because i'm watching the views rn. very interesting.
Okay, first of all, I just want to let you know that I completely agree with you that those types of criminals are absolute trash. I also see @dummi beat me to my point. This is what I get for typing up huge essays I guess. She also brings up a point that I forgot about: that the people who are rich enough to help probably won’t want to. I’m a bit more optimistic and hope she’s wrong, but she may sadly be right. I don’t know, I think it all depends. There are good people who are able and willing to help, but how many and will there be enough help is a real concern.
 
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Huh. That is one hell of a question. Wish i didnt see it when i had just woken up but if i try to comeback to it later i..will forget :sadcat:
I think that Dummi more or less covered what i wanted to say though. Maybe something like your proposal could lead to other very dangerous things but i agree with you. Zero tolerance for these kind of people, don't care if some call me harsh but they're legit waste of space and air. These are NOT people who are gonna be reformed(not that the system allows any criminal to actually be reformed but that's another topic). My mom currently works on CPS and the horror stories i've heard are disgusting.
 
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i have a hot take i discussed with a long time friend and he agreed.

r/pists and ch/ld m0lestors should be executed when we start reaching a true peak of overpopulation. i mean some prisoners already murder ch/ld m0lestors (deserved), it would make a dent in the population.

any other suggestions?


edit: when i said "i believe we should start now" (edited out), i did not mean shooting them all willy nilly. lawd.
Actually, that solution would not help at all.

If by a solution to overpopulation, you mean making sure that there isn't more people than there are resources to sustain.

Numerous studies have been done and they've all found that using the death penalty and putting serious violent offenders on death row costs more money and more resources than putting the inmate in life in prison

Overcrowding of prisons is a seperate issue, and is related to crime rate, not overpopulation.

A general overpopulation problem would have to be tackled with the population outside of prisons, not inside of them.

I researched and studied this intensively at 12/13 for debate, and we debated on the death penalty, expected to be able to debate both sides

The death penalty, regardless of moral beliefs, is not more economically sustainable, and would never work as an actual solution to overpopulation

Also global overpopulation and overpopulation in a country itself are very different things.

Global overpopulation is not going to happen anytime soon, but the countries with high population growth rate per year + high population already may become overpopulated.

Global population increase = number of births that year - number of deaths that year
Local population increase = (number of births that year + immigration) - (number of deaths - emigration)

Death: old age, accident, disease, war, intentional

Countries considered risks for this and being watched for this are in Asia, most specifically and mostly China and India, which also happen to be neighboring countries and having territorial disputes.

Now China and India are both among the largest countries countries in the world, land size wise (China 3rd, India 7th). However they also have the largest populations in the world (China 1st, India 2nd).

China and India are both generally considered 3rd world countries.

The population in an overcrowded country could either be reduced by decreasing the birth rate in those countries, or by thinking about population distribution and immigration/emigration, and people from those countries going to other countries which have more space and will also have enough sustainable resources and education to support them.

But the thing it is very hard for Asian (Chinese, Indian) people to emigrate to a Western country with enough resources to support immigrants who can become valuable members of the new society.

Why?
1 Chinese Yuan = 0.15 USD
1 Chinese Yuan = 0.12 Pound sterling
1 Chinese Yuan = 0.14 Euros
1 Indian rupee = 0.011 Euros
1 Indian rupee = 0.0099 Pound sterling
1 Indian rupee = 0.012 USD

Other than developed Western countries, most other countries would be to not only house many immigrants, but also sustain and be able to integrate them into society into a way that benefits the country as well, given these immigrants do their best.

However, as you can see even middle class and rich people would have trouble not only getting to those countries (you can't just cross a border after all), but also surviving there, even if they're given a decent amount of their own currency to start with because the conversions between currencies are INSANE, particularly for India.

Now, again, China and India are considered third world countries. These two third world country are technological advanced, they have come up with ideas and innovations and technologies many "first world" countries could only dream of. They have people who are very wealthy. People who are very educated. People who are the smartest people you will EVER meet. They have a high emphasis on education, academics, and disciplines, and people who manage to immigrate from these two countries to the West change the world. Come up with new innovations, become entrepeneurs, become among the smartest in the new countries. Even those who were poor in their original country (given they manage to immigrate, which is really hard, big IF), do well in the new country, even causing stereotypes in European countries and the US about Asians and how smart they are (Asians in general, not just from these two countries), when it is actually because of the strong cultural emphasis on discipline and education and hard work Asia has. (I could say so much more on Asian stereotypes and racism but I got on a tangent so I'll stop now)

Anyways, why are China and India considered third world countries then? Why do they not have higher overall wealth? Why is the literacy rate, the life expectancy, so low? It's because of the economic disparity. The poor are HELLA POOR. There are so many poor people and even among those extremely poor and barely able to survive. Very few people own a vast majority of the wealth all themselves. The wealth disparity in the US is nothing compared to this

The birth rate is so high, because these poor people (farmers, artisans, and the like) are having more children so that as soon as the children are old enough (around 6 for some things, around 10 for others, but they would be helping VERY young) can help the parents with the more simple tasks of their work so they can get more food and money. Of course these children are not going to school, or drop out young, they are helping their parents get enough food or money just to not starve

Two humans (parents) have one child = population decreases by one bc two people make one person
Two humans (parents have two children = population stays same bc two people make two people

Both of these countries have or had implemented policies on this. China's one-child policy. It was heavily criticized and considered inhumane

India found that to be inhumane so didn't do that but instead offered monetary incentives for not having more than two children. India has also been criticized for NOT having the one-child policy and poor people are still sometimes having lots of children.

Nevertheless, both of these countries population growth rates have decreased dramatically

The biggest issue or cause of possible overpopulation right now is birth rate

If you want me to be hella blunt and realistic, once there's world peace and a cure for most major diseases that result in death, both good things, the population will increase and birth rate won't be the big factor contributing to overpopulation, death rate will be too

Couples who cannot biologically have kids, either infertile, or not heterosexual and other couples too should be encouraged to adopt for sure. Really, adoption should be very very encouraged. Those children deserve so much better too. Something like monetary benefits like India had for not having more than two children but not punishing or killing anyone for having more might have to happen at some point.

And of course contraceptives should be more accessible to the poor ig.

But if overpopulation happens, we would need to see why and address the causes in order to form a solution, if we want to actually get rid of it as a problem and not just have a temporary cushion, which is what killing criminals without death row would do

And as for focusing on the holistic wealth and well-being of a nation rather than having huge eceonmic disparity, another asian country, the Kingdom of Bhutan, actually also neighboring India. has a great approach imo. They have GNP (gross national happiness) and it's not just based on happiness, but based on a variety of factors, emphasizing the country's overall education, health (physical, and mental) economic distribution, and more, which has allowed Bhutan to actually have a lot of progess and development as a nation without needing massive influence from the West who loves to try to "fix" Asia, Africa, South America, etc. and keeping their culture. The recent prime minister is not continuing it tho

This would be a lot harder to implement with nations as large, both land and population wise, as China and India.

I have ideas for govenment and leadership for countries with larger populations, but I won't say that here as I've already said too much.

This is just from a mathematical, scientific, economic, and social studies standpoint

Why am I doing this and hyperfocusing on it instead of making graphics when I don't like politics and what I post on here on this thread won't make a difference:idkwhattonamethis:
 
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There is no overpopulation. Au contraire.


Japan: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/23/asia/japan-kishida-birth-rate-population-intl-hnk/index.html

China: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/18/china/china-population-drop-explainer-intl-hnk/index.html

India seems to be the most populous country at the moment (1.41 billion in 2022). but there is no worldwide overpopulation. Since the 1980s some scientists told us that we will get a massive population problem in the future. But it was mostly just playing games with numbers, pure speculation.

By the way, some scientists also told us that there will be no ozonosphere in the future and there's no way to recover it. But the ozon layer regenerates.

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...healing-after-aerosols-un-northern-hemisphere

I love the unpredictable power of nature.
 
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There is no overpopulation. Au contraire.


Japan: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/23/asia/japan-kishida-birth-rate-population-intl-hnk/index.html

China: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/18/china/china-population-drop-explainer-intl-hnk/index.html

India seems to be the most populous country at the moment (1.41 billion in 2022). but there is no worldwide overpopulation. Since the 1980s some scientists told us that we will get a massive population problem in the future. But it was mostly just playing games with numbers, pure speculation.

By the way, some scientists also told us that there will be no ozonosphere in the future and there's no way to recover it. But the ozon layer regenerates.

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...healing-after-aerosols-un-northern-hemisphere

I love the unpredictable power of nature.
Yup, it won't happen anytime soon if ever, even the countries with high population growth rates before decreased them a lot
 
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Actually, that solution would not help at all.

If by a solution to overpopulation, you mean making sure that there isn't more people than there are resources to sustain.

Numerous studies have been done and they've all found that using the death penalty and putting serious violent offenders on death row costs more money and more resources than putting the inmate in life in prison

Overcrowding of prisons is a seperate issue, and is related to crime rate, not overpopulation.

A general overpopulation problem would have to be tackled with the population outside of prisons, not inside of them.

I researched and studied this intensively at 12/13 for debate, and we debated on the death penalty, expected to be able to debate both sides

The death penalty, regardless of moral beliefs, is not more economically sustainable, and would never work as an actual solution to overpopulation

Also global overpopulation and overpopulation in a country itself are very different things.

Global overpopulation is not going to happen anytime soon, but the countries with high population growth rate per year + high population already may become overpopulated.

Global population increase = number of births that year - number of deaths that year
Local population increase = (number of births that year + immigration) - (number of deaths - emigration)

Death: old age, accident, disease, war, intentional

Countries considered risks for this and being watched for this are in Asia, most specifically and mostly China and India, which also happen to be neighboring countries and having territorial disputes.

Now China and India are both among the largest countries countries in the world, land size wise (China 3rd, India 7th). However they also have the largest populations in the world (China 1st, India 2nd).

China and India are both generally considered 3rd world countries.

The population in an overcrowded country could either be reduced by decreasing the birth rate in those countries, or by thinking about population distribution and immigration/emigration, and people from those countries going to other countries which have more space and will also have enough sustainable resources and education to support them.

But the thing it is very hard for Asian (Chinese, Indian) people to emigrate to a Western country with enough resources to support immigrants who can become valuable members of the new society.

Why?
1 Chinese Yuan = 0.15 USD
1 Chinese Yuan = 0.12 Pound sterling
1 Chinese Yuan = 0.14 Euros
1 Indian rupee = 0.011 Euros
1 Indian rupee = 0.0099 Pound sterling
1 Indian rupee = 0.012 USD

Other than developed Western countries, most other countries would be to not only house many immigrants, but also sustain and be able to integrate them into society into a way that benefits the country as well, given these immigrants do their best.

However, as you can see even middle class and rich people would have trouble not only getting to those countries (you can't just cross a border after all), but also surviving there, even if they're given a decent amount of their own currency to start with because the conversions between currencies are INSANE, particularly for India.

Now, again, China and India are considered third world countries. These two third world country are technological advanced, they have come up with ideas and innovations and technologies many "first world" countries could only dream of. They have people who are very wealthy. People who are very educated. People who are the smartest people you will EVER meet. They have a high emphasis on education, academics, and disciplines, and people who manage to immigrate from these two countries to the West change the world. Come up with new innovations, become entrepeneurs, become among the smartest in the new countries. Even those who were poor in their original country (given they manage to immigrate, which is really hard, big IF), do well in the new country, even causing stereotypes in European countries and the US about Asians and how smart they are (Asians in general, not just from these two countries), when it is actually because of the strong cultural emphasis on discipline and education and hard work Asia has. (I could say so much more on Asian stereotypes and racism but I got on a tangent so I'll stop now)

Anyways, why are China and India considered third world countries then? Why do they not have higher overall wealth? Why is the literacy rate, the life expectancy, so low? It's because of the economic disparity. The poor are HELLA POOR. There are so many poor people and even among those extremely poor and barely able to survive. Very few people own a vast majority of the wealth all themselves. The wealth disparity in the US is nothing compared to this

The birth rate is so high, because these poor people (farmers, artisans, and the like) are having more children so that as soon as the children are old enough (around 6 for some things, around 10 for others, but they would be helping VERY young) can help the parents with the more simple tasks of their work so they can get more food and money. Of course these children are not going to school, or drop out young, they are helping their parents get enough food or money just to not starve

Two humans (parents) have one child = population decreases by one bc two people make one person
Two humans (parents have two children = population stays same bc two people make two people

Both of these countries have or had implemented policies on this. China's one-child policy. It was heavily criticized and considered inhumane

India found that to be inhumane so didn't do that but instead offered monetary incentives for not having more than two children. India has also been criticized for NOT having the one-child policy and poor people are still sometimes having lots of children.

Nevertheless, both of these countries population growth rates have decreased dramatically

The biggest issue or cause of possible overpopulation right now is birth rate

If you want me to be hella blunt and realistic, once there's world peace and a cure for most major diseases that result in death, both good things, the population will increase and birth rate won't be the big factor contributing to overpopulation, death rate will be too

Couples who cannot biologically have kids, either infertile, or not heterosexual and other couples too should be encouraged to adopt for sure. Really, adoption should be very very encouraged. Those children deserve so much better too. Something like monetary benefits like India had for not having more than two children but not punishing or killing anyone for having more might have to happen at some point.

And of course contraceptives should be more accessible to the poor ig.

But if overpopulation happens, we would need to see why and address the causes in order to form a solution, if we want to actually get rid of it as a problem and not just have a temporary cushion, which is what killing criminals without death row would do

And as for focusing on the holistic wealth and well-being of a nation rather than having huge eceonmic disparity, another asian country, the Kingdom of Bhutan, actually also neighboring India. has a great approach imo. They have GNP (gross national happiness) and it's not just based on happiness, but based on a variety of factors, emphasizing the country's overall education, health (physical, and mental) economic distribution, and more, which has allowed Bhutan to actually have a lot of progess and development as a nation without needing massive influence from the West who loves to try to "fix" Asia, Africa, South America, etc. and keeping their culture. The recent prime minister is not continuing it tho

This would be a lot harder to implement with nations as large, both land and population wise, as China and India.

I have ideas for govenment and leadership for countries with larger populations, but I won't say that here as I've already said too much.

This is just from a mathematical, scientific, economic, and social studies standpoint

Why am I doing this and hyperfocusing on it instead of making graphics when I don't like politics and what I post on here on this thread won't make a difference:idkwhattonamethis:
I feel like my brain just expanded in size so much by reading this. I actually didn’t know most of these things at all.
 
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Sex education, feminism and economic liberalism.

Not only that but better farming practices, more settlements and forced resettling. There's plenty of land and food to support the current population and a growing population for the foreseeable future, overpopulation is more of an ecological nightmare

Also kill child rapists. It doesn't help literally anything but fuck em
 
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Sex education, feminism and economic liberalism.

Not only that but better farming practices, more settlements and forced resettling. There's plenty of land and food to support the current population and a growing population for the foreseeable future, overpopulation is more of an ecological nightmare

Also kill child rapists. It doesn't help literally anything but fuck em
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Actually, that solution would not help at all.

If by a solution to overpopulation, you mean making sure that there isn't more people than there are resources to sustain.

Numerous studies have been done and they've all found that using the death penalty and putting serious violent offenders on death row costs more money and more resources than putting the inmate in life in prison

Overcrowding of prisons is a seperate issue, and is related to crime rate, not overpopulation.

A general overpopulation problem would have to be tackled with the population outside of prisons, not inside of them.

I researched and studied this intensively at 12/13 for debate, and we debated on the death penalty, expected to be able to debate both sides

The death penalty, regardless of moral beliefs, is not more economically sustainable, and would never work as an actual solution to overpopulation

Also global overpopulation and overpopulation in a country itself are very different things.

Global overpopulation is not going to happen anytime soon, but the countries with high population growth rate per year + high population already may become overpopulated.

Global population increase = number of births that year - number of deaths that year
Local population increase = (number of births that year + immigration) - (number of deaths - emigration)

Death: old age, accident, disease, war, intentional

Countries considered risks for this and being watched for this are in Asia, most specifically and mostly China and India, which also happen to be neighboring countries and having territorial disputes.

Now China and India are both among the largest countries countries in the world, land size wise (China 3rd, India 7th). However they also have the largest populations in the world (China 1st, India 2nd).

China and India are both generally considered 3rd world countries.

The population in an overcrowded country could either be reduced by decreasing the birth rate in those countries, or by thinking about population distribution and immigration/emigration, and people from those countries going to other countries which have more space and will also have enough sustainable resources and education to support them.

But the thing it is very hard for Asian (Chinese, Indian) people to emigrate to a Western country with enough resources to support immigrants who can become valuable members of the new society.

Why?
1 Chinese Yuan = 0.15 USD
1 Chinese Yuan = 0.12 Pound sterling
1 Chinese Yuan = 0.14 Euros
1 Indian rupee = 0.011 Euros
1 Indian rupee = 0.0099 Pound sterling
1 Indian rupee = 0.012 USD

Other than developed Western countries, most other countries would be to not only house many immigrants, but also sustain and be able to integrate them into society into a way that benefits the country as well, given these immigrants do their best.

However, as you can see even middle class and rich people would have trouble not only getting to those countries (you can't just cross a border after all), but also surviving there, even if they're given a decent amount of their own currency to start with because the conversions between currencies are INSANE, particularly for India.

Now, again, China and India are considered third world countries. These two third world country are technological advanced, they have come up with ideas and innovations and technologies many "first world" countries could only dream of. They have people who are very wealthy. People who are very educated. People who are the smartest people you will EVER meet. They have a high emphasis on education, academics, and disciplines, and people who manage to immigrate from these two countries to the West change the world. Come up with new innovations, become entrepeneurs, become among the smartest in the new countries. Even those who were poor in their original country (given they manage to immigrate, which is really hard, big IF), do well in the new country, even causing stereotypes in European countries and the US about Asians and how smart they are (Asians in general, not just from these two countries), when it is actually because of the strong cultural emphasis on discipline and education and hard work Asia has. (I could say so much more on Asian stereotypes and racism but I got on a tangent so I'll stop now)

Anyways, why are China and India considered third world countries then? Why do they not have higher overall wealth? Why is the literacy rate, the life expectancy, so low? It's because of the economic disparity. The poor are HELLA POOR. There are so many poor people and even among those extremely poor and barely able to survive. Very few people own a vast majority of the wealth all themselves. The wealth disparity in the US is nothing compared to this

The birth rate is so high, because these poor people (farmers, artisans, and the like) are having more children so that as soon as the children are old enough (around 6 for some things, around 10 for others, but they would be helping VERY young) can help the parents with the more simple tasks of their work so they can get more food and money. Of course these children are not going to school, or drop out young, they are helping their parents get enough food or money just to not starve

Two humans (parents) have one child = population decreases by one bc two people make one person
Two humans (parents have two children = population stays same bc two people make two people

Both of these countries have or had implemented policies on this. China's one-child policy. It was heavily criticized and considered inhumane

India found that to be inhumane so didn't do that but instead offered monetary incentives for not having more than two children. India has also been criticized for NOT having the one-child policy and poor people are still sometimes having lots of children.

Nevertheless, both of these countries population growth rates have decreased dramatically

The biggest issue or cause of possible overpopulation right now is birth rate

If you want me to be hella blunt and realistic, once there's world peace and a cure for most major diseases that result in death, both good things, the population will increase and birth rate won't be the big factor contributing to overpopulation, death rate will be too

Couples who cannot biologically have kids, either infertile, or not heterosexual and other couples too should be encouraged to adopt for sure. Really, adoption should be very very encouraged. Those children deserve so much better too. Something like monetary benefits like India had for not having more than two children but not punishing or killing anyone for having more might have to happen at some point.

And of course contraceptives should be more accessible to the poor ig.

But if overpopulation happens, we would need to see why and address the causes in order to form a solution, if we want to actually get rid of it as a problem and not just have a temporary cushion, which is what killing criminals without death row would do

And as for focusing on the holistic wealth and well-being of a nation rather than having huge eceonmic disparity, another asian country, the Kingdom of Bhutan, actually also neighboring India. has a great approach imo. They have GNP (gross national happiness) and it's not just based on happiness, but based on a variety of factors, emphasizing the country's overall education, health (physical, and mental) economic distribution, and more, which has allowed Bhutan to actually have a lot of progess and development as a nation without needing massive influence from the West who loves to try to "fix" Asia, Africa, South America, etc. and keeping their culture. The recent prime minister is not continuing it tho

This would be a lot harder to implement with nations as large, both land and population wise, as China and India.

I have ideas for govenment and leadership for countries with larger populations, but I won't say that here as I've already said too much.

This is just from a mathematical, scientific, economic, and social studies standpoint

Why am I doing this and hyperfocusing on it instead of making graphics when I don't like politics and what I post on here on this thread won't make a difference:idkwhattonamethis:
this is fascinating and an amazing response! thank you so much <3
 
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There is no overpopulation. Au contraire.


Japan: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/23/asia/japan-kishida-birth-rate-population-intl-hnk/index.html

China: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/18/china/china-population-drop-explainer-intl-hnk/index.html

India seems to be the most populous country at the moment (1.41 billion in 2022). but there is no worldwide overpopulation. Since the 1980s some scientists told us that we will get a massive population problem in the future. But it was mostly just playing games with numbers, pure speculation.

By the way, some scientists also told us that there will be no ozonosphere in the future and there's no way to recover it. But the ozon layer regenerates.

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...healing-after-aerosols-un-northern-hemisphere

I love the unpredictable power of nature.
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