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honestly, i don't listen to modern kpop, but one of the things I've definitely noticed about this current kpop scope is that a lot of rookie idols from big companies or backed up by a big company lack the basic singing skills and tend to hide their real actual voices behind live studio tracks or backing tracks during "live" performances, essentially lip syncing. There's been quite a few kpop idols from the 2020s to completely lack in genuine singing skills, breath control and just don't know how to properly and confidently sing live without the help of a backing track. the fact that i'm not a listener of modern kpop and i even KNOW about how these idols look visibly nervous and scared to sing live during encore stages or other life stages without backing tracks is crazy. it shows just how stale kpop has came if these kpop idols are lacking in the basic skills to sing, and im talking about when these idols stand or sit completely still without choreography. i know it's impossible for anyone to sing stable when you're executing olympic styled dances that'll hurt your body as you get older.

i know aside from a few groups of this gen like nmixx and kiss of life, there are of the few groups that can actually SING and sing live, i give more of my props to nmixx for at least having the skills despite being apart of jyp...unlike these other groups that are from big companies or backed by big companies. HYBE and SM have to be the biggest culprits when it comes to their newer idols lacking vocals skills, it's especially jarring in riize's, h2h's, and nct wish's case as the groups is a sm created group, and sm for decades have been known to have EXCEPTIONAL vocal talent, even when groups are rookies, they still delivered flawless vocal performances in songs and whatnot. now don't get me wrong, these groups aren't untalented, but they are among the vocally weakest groups from sm's catalogue, and that's a problem because like i said before, sm is known for having some of the best vocalists in the history of kpop. i've heard people say sohee from riize, carmen from h2h and and nct wish's jaehee being praised for having good vocal skills, they're essentially carrying their entire group while the rest of the members are lacking behind them. Even so, i think sohee, carmen and jaehee are good by modern idol standards, but not by sm standards...😬 really just goes to show that the bar has dropped so low if these members are good by modern idol standards, but they don't live up to absolute legends like chen from exo or wendy from red velvet. the whole "they're well rookies, let them improve" thing doesn't really work with sm now does it? a lot of kpop fans know sm used to rigorously train their vocalists to the extreme to properly belt and sing properly. Man, when lee soo man left sm, everything went downhill. he would have never allowed nct wish, h2h, riize to even step onto stage.

it's also like, these groups already earn their own royalties from music tours, albums and especially those luxury brand deals. they have enough money to afford vocal coaches for themselves or for the group. there's absolutely no excuse. groups like enhypen have been active for six years and are almost reaching their seventh year anniversary, which is contract renewal for all groups. i know member heesung left the group and he was the main person who was SKILLED vocally and was literally carrying the group vocally. when you have one member like that who's carrying the entire group like that, and they leave the group it becomes a huge problem if those members have improved a mere "little bit" or haven't improved at all and are still lacking in genuine vocal improvement six years into their run. i know enhypen are huge globally and they can easily pay for their own vocal coaches, but ive seen a lot of people say how enhypen may not fare well without heesung...and that is an issue...i have a feeling that in the years following, once kpop genuinely gets back into the swing of things and idols being treated as ACTUAL artists and singers, these previous groups that have spent years in their career not improving or improving a little bit are going to be used as case studies in the future and laughing stocks.

to put this into perspective, let me mention seventeen. When seventeen were trainees under pledis, they were broke. Pledis was broke due to all of the stupid decisions they've made with after school and nuest, and seventeen were the company's last chance before the company closed down for good. seventeen had no money themselves as they were broke teenagers, so they had to learn how to split basic living necessities among themselves. since the company couldn't afford vocal coaches, producers and etc for the group, the members had to take matters into their own hands by teaching themselves how to do certain things. like woozi learning how to produce, write and compose songs all by himself, hoshi choreographing a dance all by himself and the other members having to teach themselves out of sheer survival. if a group of 13 broke teenagers was able to arise from a bankrupt company with zero luxury or financial backing, and become one of the critically acclaimed and most skilled groups in the history of kpop, then a kpop group from a big company or backed by a big company has absolutely zero excuse to lack the basics or just lack complete vocal skills entirely.
 
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lmao. i KNOW i always have a lot of stuff to say and i hate bottling it up...i can't help it. i wanted to make the post a little shorter but nah...
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thank you~ i just want to have a platform where i can say my thoughts in a blunt but respectful way without passive aggression or people trying to bring my topics down...i've seen enough of this on reddit and discord. i say things that people need to hear not to what they want to hear.
 
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thank you~ i just want to have a platform where i can say my thoughts in a blunt but respectful way without passive aggression or people trying to bring my topics down...i've seen enough of this on reddit and discord. i say things that people need to hear not to what they want to hear.
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yeah i've seen so many people get downvoted on reddit for saying harmless comments on kpop reddits or seeing harmless posts get downvoted because people don't like them or agree with them. i already get good vibes from this website
 
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yeah i've seen so many people get downvoted on reddit for saying harmless comments on kpop reddits or seeing harmless posts get downvoted because people don't like them or agree with them. i already get good vibes from this website
yesss this website is amazing :letitfry:
 
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the issue is kpop has never been about (primarily) the singing and dancing
sure there is a baseline that you can't sound tone deaf and that is low barrier but it's never been the primary driver of kpop

in fact I would argue that the performing talents (singing dancing and rapping) are the least important in terms of kpop and that the most important aspects of being a kpop idol is all the non performing talents (charm, charisma, visuals, likability, etc etc)

The IT girls the most popular kpop idols have never ever been the best singers...
 
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the issue is kpop has never been about (primarily) the singing and dancing
sure there is a baseline that you can't sound tone deaf and that is low barrier but it's never been the primary driver of kpop

in fact I would argue that the performing talents (singing dancing and rapping) are the least important in terms of kpop and that the most important aspects of being a kpop idol is all the non performing talents (charm, charisma, visuals, likability, etc etc)

The IT girls the most popular kpop idols have never ever been the best singers...
the issue is kpop has never been about (primarily) the singing and dancing
sure there is a baseline that you can't sound tone deaf and that is low barrier but it's never been the primary driver of kpop

in fact I would argue that the performing talents (singing dancing and rapping) are the least important in terms of kpop and that the most important aspects of being a kpop idol is all the non performing talents (charm, charisma, visuals, likability, etc etc)

The IT girls the most popular kpop idols have never ever been the best singers...
i get what you mean, but i still kind of disagree with this. kpop idols are idols, they're supposed to sing and also perform/dance. i would say it's a mix of both where dancing and performing is part of being a kpop idol, as well as singing/rapping. kpop nowadays leans heavily towards performance and dancing, almost to the point where actual kpop groups could be seen as performance groups if anything. you say its about charm, charisma and likability but i personally feel like these are bonus points. kpop idols are trained variety show skills, comedy alongside singing as well.
 
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i get what you mean, but i still kind of disagree with this. kpop idols are idols, they're supposed to sing and also perform/dance. i would say it's a mix of both where dancing and performing is part of being a kpop idol, as well as singing/rapping. kpop nowadays leans heavily towards performance and dancing, almost to the point where actual kpop groups could be seen as performance groups if anything. you say its about charm, charisma and likability but i personally feel like these are bonus points. kpop idols are trained variety show skills, comedy alongside singing as well.
I don't disagree with that's what an idol does and the performing aspect of things is certainly important
those things are the bare min
where I disagree with you is that those things aren't the MOST important

if you ever watched any of the old survival shows or comments from say JYP (the person) or YHS - they rarely ever discuss "talent" (being the performing aspects of talent) they talk about star power or the X factor and it's those things that they seek out primarily in an idol

visuals, charm, charisma and likeability sells!!! it sells albums, it sells songs, it sells CFs, it sells merch, it sells tickets to seats
from a business pov money matters and idols that excel in those things matter much more than the performing talents

(again when I talk about performing talents I don't mean performance I mean the singing, dancing and rapping)

I've said it before - the most popular member of a group is not always the visual but very rarely will the visual be the least popular
 
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oh i forgot to say...
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I don't disagree with that's what an idol does and the performing aspect of things is certainly important
those things are the bare min
where I disagree with you is that those things aren't the MOST important

if you ever watched any of the old survival shows or comments from say JYP (the person) or YHS - they rarely ever discuss "talent" (being the performing aspects of talent) they talk about star power or the X factor and it's those things that they seek out primarily in an idol

visuals, charm, charisma and likeability sells!!! it sells albums, it sells songs, it sells CFs, it sells merch, it sells tickets to seats
from a business pov money matters and idols that excel in those things matter much more than the performing talents

(again when I talk about performing talents I don't mean performance I mean the singing, dancing and rapping)

I've said it before - the most popular member of a group is not always the visual but very rarely will the visual be the least popular
oh yeah i think i misread your comment. i know the most important thing about a kpop idol is having aura and star power. when i was researching sm entertainment one day, i came across their street casting, they used to do street casting where sm scouts would lounge around popular areas where teenagers hung out and they chase after trainees who have that IT factor or that star power, just by looking at someone eating a pack of noodles or just walking around. it's insane but it works.
 
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oh i forgot to say...
be careful
@Selfmate will debate with you over anything
why do people have to be careful? lol
it's a discussion not a debate for the end of the world

there's no winners or losers or anything - I mean after all we're a kpop forum and we're suppose to discussing things no? lol
 
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why do people have to be careful? lol
it's a discussion not a debate for the end of the world

there's no winners or losers or anything - I mean after all we're a kpop forum and we're suppose to discussing things no? lol
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lmao it's fine. sometimes if the debate gets to a point where i don't know how to respond or if i don't want to respond i just stop replying to that person. 😂
selfie sure is interesting
but hes amazing
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oh yeah i think i misread your comment. i know the most important thing about a kpop idol is having aura and star power. when i was researching sm entertainment one day, i came across their street casting, they used to do street casting where sm scouts would lounge around popular areas where teenagers hung out and they chase after trainees who have that IT factor or that star power, just by looking at someone eating a pack of noodles or just walking around. it's insane but it works.
I do agree with you my friend that some of the top idols from top groups are vocally weak but it's because they have so much other talents that balance out their vocal weakness

I have no qualms with giving you names in fact

my biases from ive and lsfm are WY and Sakura respectively and even as a fan of both idols and groups I can say that both of them are vocally average at best and weak at worst

but most people don't get into kpop for the vocals and that's not an indictment of kpop fans or the idols themselves it's really just what each of us look for in terms of entertainment and music
 
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one thing that you gotta remember is that KPS is not the rest of the internet everybody here is relatively peaceful and we try to debate or discuss the topic at hand
sure discussions may be long and occasionally heated but never do we target a person or use inappropriate language
the mods and the rest of the forum will shut that down pretty quickly
 

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