jae from day6 calls k-pop idols "brainwashed" (1 Viewer)

[Kamistar]

It costs $0 to not be rude about people within your own industry

This

 

[Kamistar]

If he wants to criticize the system and not the idols he is wording it very wrongly lol

 

[Ahsoka]

He didn't really criticize idols he criticized system, especially the training period and remoulding someones personality by first beating it down. At most he feels bad for idols in that position and feels relief of getting out of the system (very soonish).

He criticized both. Calling idols brainwashed is definitely not a compliment

 

[blueberries]

I like Jae but what I don't get, is how he's always saying shit like this but bro you're in a band? Technically an idol but still very very far off from like, Stray Kids or Got7 or 2PM. Be grateful for the freedom you get.

I really dislike how pretentious he sounds. If I listened to him say it without watching the video, I'd expect him to be holding a craft beer and sporting a tiny douche beard. "soul-searching" what does that even mean...

He doesn't have lot of freedom even less in sense than 2PM who are seniors in company. What he had more freedom was song writing, however he was forced to close down his youtube account just cause it didn't fit image of company, had to close his twitch over calling someone his sugar daddy and he wasn't able to monetize his own music. He was also excluded from groups activities without his consent.

His soul-searching from what he has spoken is mostly about dealing with his panic disorder and realizing that he cannot stay in kpop anymore for his sanity, that it became too much of burden for him.

 

[Soogi]

They are though. Calling him edgy, hipstery whatever is talking over his bad experience and comes over as kpop fans feeling superioty complex over idol and telling him what he can talk about his experiences. Doesn't he have right to see things like he does as someone who lived through them? Even if its' not easy to hear or stomach.

He's not really shading anyone his grief is about industry and he is always praising other idols. People just took it that way.

I'm sorry if it hurts kpop stan feeligns, but there is reason why many see kpop industry that way. Cause it does have these issues.

kpop stans know the industry is controlling and messed up. other (ex-)idols and trainees have spoken about this before, fans criticize it too. i understand jae may not have intended to shade anyone but in this specific instance (and another interview i read actually) it definitely comes across that way. he straight up said "kpop idols are brainwashed but not me cause i actually did some ~soul searching~", if that doesnt sound shady then i dont know. i for sure would be offended if someone talked about me and my collegues this way

 

[blueberries]

He criticized both. Calling idols brainwashed is definitely not a compliment

What about being molded to personality ur company wants is not brainwashing though? He is not only idol who said being kpop idol messed up with their persona and they had to find themselves again (for example after school bekah on anthony padilla's interview.).

Also he said this about himself, "into the model you see before you today". So he does relate this to himself pretty strongly.

 

[gongchan]

I have... many opinions on Jae based on comments he has made before that very much do not sit right with me, but I will try and keep my personal opinion out of it for a second.

I will just say that I think these remarks are very weird and unnecessary. Like others in this thread have already said, there is no reason for him to be rude to others in the same position as him. He can criticize the industry as a whole, but coming for other idols, generalizing them, and calling them this is very low.

 

[Myco]

the thing is, no one is invalidating his experiences. no one is denying his struggles, it his choice of words and the way he shades fellow idols that doesnt sit well with people. you can explain the problems you have with the industry without throwing your collegues under the bus. "i didnt get to make the music i wanted, i was molded into this version of jae that im not, i felt like a puppet of the industry" etc. thats all fine, kpop stans can sympathize with that. but going on record saying idols are brainwashed and manufactured and implying theyre robotic, cant think for themselves,... is not the move. thats exactly the same terminology edgy dochebags like keemstar use to disparage and mock kpop stans and idols, so i can understand the backlash.

it's like the "invalidate other ppls experience and put them down to elevate yourself" kind of thing you just don't do in generally, especially as a K-Pop Idol, you know how hard they have it so shitting on them doesn't really make it any better - ofcourse the way he phrases it still doesn't invalidate his experience if people like us comment and judge him about what he is saying, but there's just better way to word things - which I usppose for a non scripted podcast and kind of like "out of the blue" is hard to do

 

[blueberries]

kpop stans know the industry is controlling and messed up. other (ex-)idols and trainees have spoken about this before, fans criticize it too. i understand jae may not have intended to shade anyone but in this specific instance (and another interview i read actually) it definitely comes across that way. he straight up said "kpop idols are brainwashed but not me cause i actually did some ~soul searching~", if that doesnt sound shady then i dont know. i for sure would be offended if someone talked about me and my collegues this way

That's kinda the most negative read you can take on it and I don't think you have to choose to see it that way. Maybe for me I have more context from what he has talked on his ig lives etc. so I see more where he is coming from with this. Which is pretty much him criticizing industry beating kpop idols down during trainee process constantly telling them they aren't good enough and dictating how the can be.

 

[eclipsoul]

What about being molded to personality ur company wants is not brainwashing though? He is not only idol who said being kpop idol messed up with their persona and they had to find themselves again (for example after school bekah on anthony padilla's interview.).

Also he said this about himself, "into the model you see before you today". So he does relate this to himself pretty strongly.

technically the definition of brainwashing is making someone believe in something by repeatedly telling them that it is the truth and not letting them have their own beliefs. now of course having a personality molded to appeal to the public is not exactly a good thing but it's not brainwashing. it even happens to people in ordinary non-celebrity jobs where for example you have to be kind to your customers even though they annoy the f*ck out of you so that you don't lose your job. sure i wish kpop companies didn't force people to be who they're not but jae isn't changing that by calling his fellow idols brainwashed.

 

[blueberries]

Anyways, this is pretty strongly related to the "brainwashing" comment, sadly wasn't rly clipped on shared on twitter, maybe cause there is no drama to get from it?



25:50 time stamp, it's not long segment

 

[eclipsoul]

One phone call from JYP and he'll be on Twitter crying and apologizing.
Again.

Unwashed and u manufactured my ass

even if i don't agree with what he said i gotta give it to him that this is the first time i've seen someone call themselves unwashed in a positive context

 

[VillageIdiot]

You listen to Jae, really emphasize with him over how he's been treated by JYP.

And then you look at everything he's gotten compared to pretty much everyone in his company.

His own experiences and feelings are his own and valid but the lack of awareness bc from what I see, his situation was never that bad given what he actually brought to the table.

Good for him for realizing kpop isn't for him but throwing everyone else under the bus that's just working hard, minding their own business and being professional just ain't it.

 

[VillageIdiot]

even if i don't agree with what he said i gotta give it to him that this is the first time i've seen someone call themselves unwashed in a positive context

The way not showering was the theme of this year

 

[LeeHoseok]

Jae just either needs to fully distance himself from kpop or just shut up until he does. I'm sorry, but the man is behaving like a petulant child. His blasé attitude, lack of self-awareness, and willingness to put the industry that pays his bills on blast is kinda ridiculous. I used to like Jae for his outspokenness, but the man has not learned one bit that most of his issues he attributes to "toxic social media" were of his own making.

 

[Michael]

I don't really know what "manufactured" really means when people throw that word around kpop; but whatever it means, or whether it's true or not, it takes talent and much practice to be really good in such competitive business. I don't think it matters as much as people make it sound.

 

[Yonk]

I don't understand why he's starting to say all this weird comments on the kpop industry when it includes him

 

[blueberries]

I don't understand why he's starting to say all this weird comments on the kpop industry when it includes him

He is saying it cause it is about him and his experience.

 

[Exi]

there were times when I really liked Jae ... but the more you listen to him, you get the idea that he is this "edgy, hypstery" kind of dude.

Jae if you want to you can always leave.

Agreed, man gives me pick me guy vibes ngl 🤔

 

[Abeamus]

Anyways, this is pretty strongly related to the "brainwashing" comment, sadly wasn't rly clipped on shared on twitter, maybe cause there is no drama to get from it?



25:50 time stamp, it's not long segment

While the particular clip sounds better in context I have to say that the fact he's saying he admires JYP minutes later comes across as pretty tone deaf considering Sunmi has mentioned JYP wanting her to sing a certain way and her leaving JYP just to experiment with singing.

I'm not sure any other company would have come down on Jae quite as hard as JYP did for the Twitch thing since JYP focuses on the image of their idols and even if Day6 are supposed to be artists with more freedom however that controversy showed otherwise.