Official Kpopsource's 17th Card Raffle (1 Viewer)

[OnlyCalB]

@Abeamus @LoveYooShaSha @litc

I've read through the comments (I forgot to follow this thread so needed to catch up) and see their may be a bit of confusion and possible solutions to how to go about the Raffle... Especially in the future when a participant has (or multiple participants have) 1 or more of the cards currently in the Raffle.

The Raffle Process:

> 3 Cards: Woodz 3, GFriend SinB, and 2PM Wooyoung

> Users enter up to 5 times (via points) and are chosen automatically/randomly by a generator built into the Raffle system. Cards are not assigned via this system, so Cards Team assigns the cards as such;

Winner #1 - gets card #1 (Woodz 3)
Winner #2 - gets card #2 (GF SinB)
Winner #3 - gets card #3 (2PM Wooyoung)

Most weeks this should be fine, based on the small odds of a user/winner getting a Legendary they already have.

However, Abeamus the Card Merchant has thrown the Legendary Raffle into an earlier than expected issue of potentially getting a card he already has: 2PM Wooyoung Legendary is already tucked in Abe's card locker...


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Legendary Assignment, based on a Winner having at least 1 of the Legendary cards in the Raffle.

> Hypothetically, this week's outcome:

Winner #1 - gets card #1 (Woodz 3)
Winner #2 - gets card #2 (GF SinB)
Abe/Winner #3 - gets card #3 (2PM Wooyoung)

This can't happen of course.


> So simply this re-assignment will be made:

Abe/Winner #1 - gets card #1 (Woodz 3)
Winner #2 - gets card #2 (GF SinB)
Winner #3 - gets card #3 (2PM Wooyoung)

As long as it's possible, the re-assignment will go through the list in numerical order.

> What if a participant has multiple Legendary cards?

Well, the maximum can only be 2 Legendary cards as having all 3 will means you really should not enter the Roulette that week. Cards are pre-made before hand and new ones won't be made to accommodate new ones as Cards Team will have to re-roll the Legendary generator whilst ensuring all participants don't have 3 Legendary cards within that particular Raffle... Not possible and too time consuming.

So, as long as cards can be re-assigned using the numerical order above, it's all good...

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However, there is a major problem with the automated Raffle system which until now, has become very clear:

> What if 2 Winners have multiple Raffle cards and they are both the same?

i.e; Abe has 2PM Wooyoung and Woodz 3 / LoveYooShaSha also has 2PM Wooyoung and Woodz 3...

First of, we should all curse the Raffle Gods for allowing this to happen.


Both Abe and uwu will want to enter the Raffle for SinB... but only 1 of them can get it whilst not being able to receive one of the other cards...

Winner #1 - gets card #1 (Woodz 3)
Abe/uwu=Winner #2 - Who gets card #2 (GF SinB)??
Winner #3 - gets card #3 (2PM Wooyoung)

Possible Solutions!

NOTE: Cards Team haven't yet fully discussed a solution to what problems the automated Raffle system has and could impose upon us due to the Raffle God's ridiculous behaviour. We will surely come up with something. For now though;

After flipping a coin (I guess) to see who gets SinB:
(although a coin won't work if more than 2 people are going after a single legendary and can't have the other 2 legendary cards because the Raffle Gods really hate us all. Solution: We'll put names in a damn hat and pull one out).


For real though:

> Cards Team will just have to re-roll another Legendary and make a 4th card.
as there is no alternative to this bleak future tbh. Cards Team will have to perhaps pre-make at least 6 Legendary Cards and use one of them to substitute a card that a Winner cannot receive (if the outcome above happens).

Note: The possible use of a 4th card and what that will be will not be known when you enter the Raffle, so enter at your own Risk I guess. The reason: the 4th card can be used in the next Raffle instead if it's not needed for the current Raffle as a back up.

> Be done with the automated Generator... It's a nice easy feature, but it's limited.
The alternative: A manual generator, similar to the one Roulette Team uses for Cards of Choice. When the Raffle begins, each participant says how many times they want to enter: Maximum 5 times. Their name will be put in the manual generator as many times as they requested. Once the Raffle is ready to be drawn, the generator is randomly generated and the top 3 get win. Easier enough. But, how will this help sort out a situation to the one above?

Hypothetically, the manual generator did this (channelling the automated Raffle Gods for the giggles):

#1 - Abe
#2 - uwu
#3 - Winner 3
#4 - Participant 1

uwu, being placed 2nd, would have to be replaced by the next nearest participant who can receive the last raffle card remaining. Such is the way of things.

Though this is a solution (I'm calling it the "Unlucky Yeet: blame the Raffle Gods" scenario), I don't like it. And not to mention the extra work a mod will have to do to remove all the appropriate amount of points from each participant manually. Bless them and all the clicking they'll have to go through.


I much prefer the solution above and participants will just have to understand that a 4th unknown Legendary could be handed to them.

Thanks for coming to me TED talk!

 

[Abeamus]

@Abeamus @LoveYooShaSha @litc

I've read through the comments (I forgot to follow this thread so needed to catch up) and see their may be a bit of confusion and possible solutions to how to go about the Raffle... Especially in the future when a participant has (or multiple participants have) 1 or more of the cards currently in the Raffle.

The Raffle Process:

> 3 Cards: Woodz 3, GFriend SinB, and 2PM Wooyoung

> Users enter up to 5 times (via points) and are chosen automatically/randomly by a generator built into the Raffle system. Cards are not assigned via this system, so Cards Team assigns the cards as such;

Winner #1 - gets card #1 (Woodz 3)
Winner #2 - gets card #2 (GF SinB)
Winner #3 - gets card #3 (2PM Wooyoung)

Most weeks this should be fine, based on the small odds of a user/winner getting a Legendary they already have.

However, Abeamus the Card Merchant has thrown the Legendary Raffle into an earlier than expected issue of potentially getting a card he already has: 2PM Wooyoung Legendary is already tucked in Abe's card locker...


---

Legendary Assignment, based on a Winner having at least 1 of the Legendary cards in the Raffle.

> Hypothetically, this week's outcome:

Winner #1 - gets card #1 (Woodz 3)
Winner #2 - gets card #2 (GF SinB)
Abe/Winner #3 - gets card #3 (2PM Wooyoung)

This can't happen of course.


> So simply this re-assignment will be made:

Abe/Winner #1 - gets card #1 (Woodz 3)
Winner #2 - gets card #2 (GF SinB)
Winner #3 - gets card #3 (2PM Wooyoung)

As long as it's possible, the re-assignment will go through the list in numerical order.

> What if a participant has multiple Legendary cards?

Well, the maximum can only be 2 Legendary cards as having all 3 will means you really should not enter the Roulette that week. Cards are pre-made before hand and new ones won't be made to accommodate new ones as Cards Team will have to re-roll the Legendary generator whilst ensuring all participants don't have 3 Legendary cards within that particular Raffle... Not possible and too time consuming.

So, as long as cards can be re-assigned using the numerical order above, it's all good...

---

However, there is a major problem with the automated Raffle system which until now, has become very clear:

> What if 2 Winners have multiple Raffle cards and they are both the same?

i.e; Abe has 2PM Wooyoung and Woodz 3 / LoveYooShaSha also has 2PM Wooyoung and Woodz 3...

First of, we should all curse the Raffle Gods for allowing this to happen.


Both Abe and uwu will want to enter the Raffle for SinB... but only 1 of them can get it whilst not being able to receive one of the other cards...

Winner #1 - gets card #1 (Woodz 3)
Abe/uwu=Winner #2 - Who gets card #2 (GF SinB)??
Winner #3 - gets card #3 (2PM Wooyoung)

Possible Solutions!

NOTE: Cards Team haven't yet fully discussed a solution to what problems the automated Raffle system has and could impose upon us due to the Raffle God's ridiculous behaviour. We will surely come up with something. For now though;

After flipping a coin (I guess) to see who gets SinB:
(although a coin won't work if more than 2 people are going after a single legendary and can't have the other 2 legendary cards because the Raffle Gods really hate us all. Solution: We'll put names in a damn hat and pull one out).


For real though:

> Cards Team will just have to re-roll another Legendary and make a 4th card.
as there is no alternative to this bleak future tbh. Cards Team will have to perhaps pre-make at least 6 Legendary Cards and use one of them to substitute a card that a Winner cannot receive (if the outcome above happens).

Note: The possible use of a 4th card and what that will be will not be known when you enter the Raffle, so enter at your own Risk I guess. The reason: the 4th card can be used in the next Raffle instead if it's not needed for the current Raffle as a back up.

> Be done with the automated Generator... It's a nice easy feature, but it's limited.
The alternative: A manual generator, similar to the one Roulette Team uses for Cards of Choice. When the Raffle begins, each participant says how many times they want to enter: Maximum 5 times. Their name will be put in the manual generator as many times as they requested. Once the Raffle is ready to be drawn, the generator is randomly generated and the top 3 get win. Easier enough. But, how will this help sort out a situation to the one above?

Hypothetically, the manual generator did this (channelling the automated Raffle Gods for the giggles):

#1 - Abe
#2 - uwu
#3 - Winner 3
#4 - Participant 1

uwu, being placed 2nd, would have to be replaced by the next nearest participant who can receive the last raffle card remaining. Such is the way of things.

Though this is a solution (I'm calling it the "Unlucky Yeet: blame the Raffle Gods" scenario), I don't like it. And not to mention the extra work a mod will have to do to remove all the appropriate amount of points from each participant manually. Bless them and all the clicking they'll have to go through.


I much prefer the solution above and participants will just have to understand that a 4th unknown Legendary could be handed to them.

Thanks for coming to me TED talk!

Would have thought you used something like this to assign the Legendary cards exactly with it being a separate process since this would allow you to write the 3 winners in along with the 3 card names in the other group then have it randomised uniquely and the cards are just given out from a viable option if like in this situation there's a non viable option.

As for the Raffle the way I see it is you are entering for the chance to win a Legendary since the raffle itself is only spitting out 3 names while you're putting forward the cards people have the chance to win and just assigning them based on the 3 names that are given. Only thing I would suggest is the possiblity of limiting an artists amount of cards they could have in a raffle to just 1 so like if Jisoo got picked then Jennie, Rosé and Lisa wouldn't be able to get in which you could push those cards back to the next raffle if you didn't want to just say nope if that situation did arise.

This would lessen the chance of a stalemate since it's more likely that there will be a clash if there's 2 or even 3 cards from 1 set for the obvious reason that it'd entice the collectors and also potentially force someone to get a card they need if they win like if I won a raffle with Yerin, Eunha and another Gfriend member in then I'd have to win that last card regardless. It'd also help with what uwu was concerned of earlier of people collecting Legendaries to play them how you would the other categories of cards although considering I'm one of the card players who stan the least groups and even I need 23 cards just to complete EXID, Gfriend, Mamamoo and Oh My Girl then I don't all you who stan 50 or up to 100 members would even be able to pull that off

 

[LoveYooShaSha]

@OnlyCalB
Since it was a black box to non-cards team members(or even former cards tsam members, maybe) my suggestions/ideas/questions were not fully workable/fit the process.

In future tho, U guys maybe can just reveal enuf to non-cards team members such as a 4th/5th/6th card will replace the stated card if a raffle winner already has the raffle card picked for tat winner. Maybe ONWARD FROM the next raffle since it might be too late to change the rules halfway thru Raffle 17. I wont squawk/delibrate here on this anymore unless i hv further qualms.

I acknowledge tat raffles card team has the authority n responsibility to adjudicate n adjust the process as seems right in Raffle 17 n i will accept any decision made watsoever as may happen in raffle 17. (Tho maybe raffle team could include a clause in OP tat adjusments for this raffle might be made which are different from earlier raffles{which we dont need the details of, nor do we users need to know of any procedures from all earlier raffles [unless its decided by raffles team to tell users], i mean im just inquisitive by nature n meddlesome meddler like to butt in, but im impulsive n might hv rushed into this too quick n put my foot in my mouth unintentionally.}

Thnx cal (n vikki n all cards team)

 

[OnlyCalB]

Would have thought you used something like this to assign the Legendary cards exactly with it being a separate process since this would allow you to write the 3 winners in along with the 3 card names in the other group then have it randomised uniquely and the cards are just given out from a viable option if like in this situation there's a non viable option.

As for the Raffle the way I see it is you are entering for the chance to win a Legendary since the raffle itself is only spitting out 3 names while you're putting forward the cards people have the chance to win and just assigning them based on the 3 names that are given. Only thing I would suggest is the possiblity of limiting an artists amount of cards they could have in a raffle to just 1 so like if Jisoo got picked then Jennie, Rosé and Lisa wouldn't be able to get in which you could push those cards back to the next raffle if you didn't want to just say nope if that situation did arise.

This would lessen the chance of a stalemate since it's more likely that there will be a clash if there's 2 or even 3 cards from 1 set for the obvious reason that it'd entice the collectors and also potentially force someone to get a card they need if they win like if I won a raffle with Yerin, Eunha and another Gfriend member in then I'd have to win that last card regardless. It'd also help with what uwu was concerned of earlier of people collecting Legendaries to play them how you would the other categories of cards although considering I'm one of the card players who stan the least groups and even I need 23 cards just to complete EXID, Gfriend, Mamamoo and Oh My Girl then I don't all you who stan 50 or up to 100 members would even be able to pull that off

That's a cool generator. If needed, we could certainly use it!


Not having multiple cards from 1 set within a single Raffle is also a good idea.

@OnlyCalB
Since it was a black box to non-cards team members(or even former cards tsam members, maybe) my suggestions/ideas/questions were not fully workable/fit the process.

In future tho, U guys maybe can just reveal enuf to non-cards team members such as a 4th/5th/6th card will replace the stated card if a raffle winner already has the raffle card picked for tat winner. Maybe ONWARD FROM the next raffle since it might be too late to change the rules halfway thru Raffle 17. I wont squawk/delibrate here on this anymore unless i hv further qualms.

I acknowledge tat raffles card team has the authority n responsibility to adjudicate n adjust the process as seems right in Raffle 17 n i will accept any decision made watsoever as may happen in raffle 17. (Tho maybe raffle team could include a clause in OP tat adjusments for this raffle might be made which are different from earlier raffles{which we dont need the details of, nor do we users need to know of any procedures from all earlier raffles [unless its decided by raffles team to tell users], i mean im just inquisitive by nature n meddlesome meddler like to butt in, but im impulsive n might hv rushed into this too quick n put my foot in my mouth unintentionally.}

Thnx cal (n vikki n all cards team)

Any changes we make will definitely be mentioned as a disclaimer under the rules in each OP from here on, or as part of the rules itself. Once we know how to proceed It will be updated. Hopefully by Raffle #18.

 

[LoveYooShaSha]

Would have thought you used something like this to assign the Legendary cards exactly with it being a separate process since this would allow you to write the 3 winners in along with the 3 card names in the other group then have it randomised uniquely and the cards are just given out from a viable option if like in this situation there's a non viable option.

As for the Raffle the way I see it is you are entering for the chance to win a Legendary since the raffle itself is only spitting out 3 names while you're putting forward the cards people have the chance to win and just assigning them based on the 3 names that are given. Only thing I would suggest is the possiblity of limiting an artists amount of cards they could have in a raffle to just 1 so like if Jisoo got picked then Jennie, Rosé and Lisa wouldn't be able to get in which you could push those cards back to the next raffle if you didn't want to just say nope if that situation did arise.

This would lessen the chance of a stalemate since it's more likely that there will be a clash if there's 2 or even 3 cards from 1 set for the obvious reason that it'd entice the collectors and also potentially force someone to get a card they need if they win like if I won a raffle with Yerin, Eunha and another Gfriend member in then I'd have to win that last card regardless. It'd also help with what uwu was concerned of earlier of people collecting Legendaries to play them how you would the other categories of cards although considering I'm one of the card players who stan the least groups and even I need 23 cards just to complete EXID, Gfriend, Mamamoo and Oh My Girl then I don't all you who stan 50 or up to 100 members would even be able to pull that off

In calb's scenario(slightly adjusted since i already hv rose legendary), if a raffle winner already has Rose Legendary, n 2 other winners win Jennie n Jisoo(hypothetically), the rose legendary current raffle winner gets shunted to a 4th card (i think). In this scenario Id suggest the rose legendary be placed in following raffle, since cards team already created the card.

Tho Correct me if im wrong(or dont n leave it to future raffles, leave a little mystery to the raffle. As long as the rules state the possible scenarios hv been discussed[as much as possible] n addressed by cards team, i think i can live without knowing the exact details. Tho it might be guessed after this (or future raffles). Nonetheless, cards team dont hv to inform more details than necessary to raffle participants, as was done before raffle 17 without (?m)any questions.

But ur suggestion brings up a point i wondered/observed earlier-i dont rmbr if limiteds or rares or legendaries came out first, but it seems to me there's a discrepancy between rares, limited n legendaries-in tat solo rare are 5, but solo limiteds are only 1; yet solo legendaries can be up to 5-same as rares not limiteds-cards team dont hv to answer this but was this discrepancy accidental/or by design? Either way, imma live with watever exists.

That's a cool generator. If needed, we could certainly use it!


Not having multiple cards from 1 set within a single Raffle is also a good idea.

I wrote my hypothetical b4 reading this LMAO, amend my hypotheticam jennie n jisoo to jessica n yerin legendary n it still stands.

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Any changes we make will definitely be mentioned as a disclaimer under the rules in each OP from here on, or as part of the rules itself. Once we know how to proceed It will be updated. Hopefully by Raffle #18.

As stated above, u can tell us just enuf to inform us the possibility of adjustments WITHOUT unnecessary details(after thorough discussion amongst cards team). Or just use/state watever u guys see fit.

 

[Abeamus]

In calb's scenario(slightly adjusted since i already hv rose legendary), if a raffle winner already has Rose Legendary, n 2 other winners win Jennie n Jisoo(hypothetically), the rose legendary current raffle winner gets shunted to a 4th card (i think). In this scenario Id suggest the rose legendary be placed in following raffle, since cards team already created the card.

Tho Correct me if im wrong(or dont n leave it to future raffles, leave a little mystery to the raffle. As long as the rules state the possible scenarios hv been discussed[as much as possible] n addressed by cards team, i think i can live without knowing the exact details. Tho it might be guessed after this (or future raffles). Nonetheless, cards team dont hv to inform more details than necessary to raffle participants, as was done before raffle 17 without (?m)any questions.

But ur suggestion brings up a point i wondered/observed earlier-i dont rmbr if limiteds or rares or legendaries came out first, but it seems to me there's a discrepancy between rares, limited n legendaries-in tat solo rare are 5, but solo limiteds are only 1; yet solo legendaries can be up to 5-same as rares not limiteds-cards team dont hv to answer this but was this discrepancy accidental/or by design? Either way, imma live with watever exists.


I wrote my hypothetical b4 reading this LMAO, amend my hypotheticam jennie n jisoo to jessica n yerin legendary n it still stands.


As stated above, u can tell us just enuf to inform us the possibility of adjustments WITHOUT unnecessary details(after thorough discussion amongst cards team). Or just use/state watever u guys see fit.

I mean really we're talking about scenarios that are likely years off since I think I have the most Legendaries with 5 and then you take the total pool of Rares being 351 it means I have a 5/351 chance of a card in a raffle being one that I own which is less than 2% and that would have to roll twice not only on me but also someone with worse odds to create a scenario that would stalemate so I think we'll be good for... a long while

Limiteds came out before Rares and then Legendaries came out after but I do think it's weird that Limiteds only have 1 while giving out over 100 in the week their event is on and Legendaries can have 5 while giving out only 78 in a year however Taemin has 2 solo Legendary cards and Woodz is getting another card through this raffle so that's not easily fixable while catching up the solo Limited sets would have to be it's own event as well to catch up those.

 

[Ahsoka]

I mean really we're talking about scenarios that are likely years off since I think I have the most Legendaries with 5 and then you take the total pool of Rares being 351 it means I have a 5/351 chance of a card in a raffle being one that I own which is less than 2% and that would have to roll twice not only on me but also someone with worse odds to create a scenario that would stalemate so I think we'll be good for... a long while

Limiteds came out before Rares and then Legendaries came out after but I do think it's weird that Limiteds only have 1 while giving out over 100 in the week their event is on and Legendaries can have 5 while giving out only 78 in a year however Taemin has 2 solo Legendary cards and Woodz is getting another card through this raffle so that's not easily fixable while catching up the solo Limited sets would have to be it's own event as well to catch up those.

The idea for that was making it easier to complete limited sets, while legendaries are known to be really hard to complete.

 

[Abeamus]

The idea for that was making it easier to complete limited sets, while legendaries are known to be really hard to complete.

I do think that's a fair option but I also think when it comes to solo sets from groups like Jennie or Taemin then it's a lot considering it's unlikely to just be 5 Jennie cards but also 4 Blackpink cards that people would want as well.

For ones like IU who are just a soloist then I think it's fair to have 5 cards since she's just IU so it becomes a set on its own rather than being more of an extension of a set for people who have gone through the main set like how they fill out the Common and Rares.

That's just my thoughts on it though which I'm sure isn't new feedback.

 

[Ahsoka]

I do think that's a fair option but I also think when it comes to solo sets from groups like Jennie or Taemin then it's a lot considering it's unlikely to just be 5 Jennie cards but also 4 Blackpink cards that people would want as well.

For ones like IU who are just a soloist then I think it's fair to have 5 cards since she's just IU so it becomes a set on its own rather than being more of an extension of a set for people who have gone through the main set like how they fill out the Common and Rares.

That's just my thoughts on it though which I'm sure isn't new feedback.

Actually I don’t remember ever hearing about this before so I think it is new feedback, we can discuss this and if we decide to change it implement it for future sets.

 

[litc]

The idea for that was making it easier to complete limited sets, while legendaries are known to be really hard to complete.

I'm 1/3 thru vixx

 

[Abeamus]

I'm 1/3 thru vixx

I'm 1/3 through Gfriend but got plenty of competition there so that'll be fun although seems like they like being in raffles at least