okay i seriously want to talk about this (3 Viewers)

[Chaeee]

with the loona’s boycott actually working i think kpop stans need to take inspiration from it

BBC was an already bankrupt company that was losing more money than gaining. Loona is also just one group that had a very clear reason for people to see why the cb should be boycotted. I just don’t think it’d have the same affect

 

[TikiTiki]

I wish there could be laws to protect them and that's it cause realistically this isnt something that is gonna change and a few complaints on twitter are definitely not gonna make a change. This isn't a new thing that started with "4th gen" like i've seen some people claim. It's not kpop exclusive either, so so many western artists debut both in music and in movies at an insanely young age. No one has ever been able to change it, it's best to protect them if anything. Also, it's definitely not gonna be easy to just casually boycott big ass companies. Almost impossible, actually.
There's honestly so many layers to this and i could keep going 😭
With all this discussion, i've also noticed that my idea of "stanning" a group is quite different than a lot of people(on twitter mostly) and i'd probably be considered a casual fan of my favorite groups by most of them lol
And i'd also like to end this with saying that kpop fans are extremely hypocritical. I follow Le Sserafim fans on twitter, a lot of them were also iz*one fans and i've seen them liking tweets about 13-14 year olds that shouldnt be debuting The sudden amnesia of Eunchae debuting at 15 and Wonyoung at 14 is crazy.

 

[cocomelon]

If you’re boycotting this then you should boycott the entire entertainment industry cause this isn’t a kpop thing

but this is the most common and worse in kpop isn’t it?

 

[cocomelon]

I wish there could be laws to protect them and that's it cause realistically this isnt something that is gonna change and a few complaints on twitter are definitely not gonna make a change. This isn't a new thing that started with "4th gen" like i've seen some people claim. It's not kpop exclusive either, so so many western artists debut both in music and in movies at an insanely young age. No one has ever been able to change it, it's best to protect them if anything. Also, it's definitely not gonna be easy to just casually boycott big ass companies. Almost impossible, actually.
There's honestly so many layers to this and i could keep going 😭
With all this discussion, i've also noticed that my idea of "stanning" a group is quite different than a lot of people(on twitter mostly) and i'd probably be considered a casual fan of my favorite groups by most of them lol
And i'd also like to end this with saying that kpop fans are extremely hypocritical. I follow Le Sserafim fans on twitter, a lot of them were also iz*one fans and i've seen them liking tweets about 13-14 year olds that shouldnt be debuting The sudden amnesia of Eunchae debuting at 15 and Wonyoung at 14 is crazy.

this could work actually, just like that law that reduced the time period of contract from 10 to 7 years i think

 

[TikiTiki]

this could work actually, just like that law that reduced the time period of contract from 10 to 7 years i think

It's realistically the best to do i feel. Especially also since kpop is hugely targeted torwards teen too and having teens in a group only helps with attracting fellow teens so again, not easy to change this.

 

[Wingfrost]

I agree with what Yili said ^
I think yes even if there are some very young idols nowadays, thats been a regular thing since the very beginning of kpop.
I think what we need to do is to create a safe environment for them as much as possible. My main worry with such young people debuting is the difficulties on their bodies with their schedules, sexualization and hate from others. All that can be improved through fans and the companies.

 

[StirFriedPanda]

I used to struggle with my love of K-Pop and my knowledge about a lot of the evil dealings in the industry and came to these conclusions:

Me boycotting and turning my back on something I love isn't going to change anything, won't save anyone, and will allow it to continue. The only difference is I'd have my head in the sand.

If I really love K-Pop I can't abandon it or the the talent I love. Leaving k-pop as a fan hurts the people who are the innocent ones in all this more than the ones who deserve to be punished. If enough people simply walk away, sure the problems in K-pop would vanish because k-pop vanishes but so do the dreams of all those girls and boys who have done nothing wrong.

The best way for me to make a difference is be vocal! Talk about a company flashing XXX across the screen in a MV with 15 year olds. Participate in boycotting an album when a shit hole of a company show's how truly evil it is. And here's some food for thought, how often do these companies make bad decisions and then place the blame on the heads of the idols and fans buy in to it.

Participation is the best way to make a difference.

 

[cocomelon]

I used to struggle with my love of K-Pop and my knowledge about a lot of the evil dealings in the industry and came to these conclusions:

Me boycotting and turning my back on something I love isn't going to change anything, won't save anyone, and will allow it to continue. The only difference is I'd have my head in the sand.

If I really love K-Pop I can't abandon it or the the talent I love. Leaving k-pop as a fan hurts the people who are the innocent ones in all this more than the ones who deserve to be punished. If enough people simply walk away, sure the problems in K-pop would vanish because k-pop vanishes but so do the dreams of all those girls and boys who have done nothing wrong.

The best way for me to make a difference is be vocal! Talk about a company flashing XXX across the screen in a MV with 15 year olds. Participate in boycotting an album when a shit hole of a company show's how truly evil it is. And here's some food for thought, how often do these companies make bad decisions and then place the blame on the heads of the idols and fans buy in to it.

Participation is the best way to make a difference.

i agree but then again, kpop fans hate each other

 

[chiefchilly1]

but this is the most common and worse in kpop isn’t it?

No I don’t think so, movies and tv have it worse especially years ago but what’s worse and whats not doesn’t matter

 

[StirFriedPanda]

i agree but then again, kpop fans hate each other

No one is forcing us to participate in that hate. I know I talk a load of crap, especially against blinks and army or really anyone I can if I can get a good joke about it but I don't mean any of it and I hope I convey that. When BP breaks up later this year I'll feel bad for Blinks becuase inevitably they are losing something they love, that hurts, and no one deserves to lose something dear to them. I imagine it would hurt just as much to loose (insert any group I love here). I love my fellow k-pop fans, especially here. This place is our own little insulated castle against so much of the toxicity we see amongst K-Pop fans. That's why I love KPS. I love how often I see folks speak their mind here and people actually listen to each other! I don't think you guys realize how rare this place is. It sucked AKP crashing and burning but I think all of us AKP refugee's are glad it happened cuz we found this place! @ KPS Staff, thanks for your hard work guys!

 

[Jewel]

Idek if my opinion is valid, but I personally think the youngest they debut should be at least 16. And that's at a rare situation where they are technically in the group but still training.

 

[DearEagleZ]

wait whats that

piracy

 

[seoriverse]

with the loona’s boycott actually working i think kpop stans need to take inspiration from it

nvm someone said the exact same thing

 

[Selfmate]

there are some bad apples in every fandom kpop or otherwise
people being hypocritical is merely a means to an end and not limited to kpop
look at every successful leader/politician/business person etc they are all hypocrites to some degree - so in the end does it even matter?

in regards to underage idols - stan them/ don't stan them/ boycott them / don't boycott them - just don't be a jerk about it
everybody has a different opinion on things and if we were to judge everyone according to our own beliefs and ideals then one would be judging like 99% of the world...

just enjoy what you enjoy and other people can enjoy what they enjoy

 

[HardcoreBLINK]

Youngest member in NJ is same age as in baby monster?

 

[hxney_jun]

tbh lately i think every group gets their heat. but idk how its been for baemon since i haven't been paying attention to them at all.

 

[the101]

I always struggle with this - I've been on set with child actors who are very focused and passionate about their career, but I've also seen some clearly be there at their parent's urging. There are child and teen athletes and dancers and here in America, competitive cheer, that require long hours and sometimes grueling commitment but those kids are focused on it. How do we strike the balance of allowing kids and teens who want to chase their dreams with common sense protections? I'd love to see the kinds of protections on working hours and commitment to education like the US film industry, where there is mandated tutor time for child actors, in addition to working hour requirements.

The main difference and concern I have with the kpop industry is often the inappropriateness around ages and what they're singing, dancing and wearing. It's weird to have 14 years old wink and be flirty to the camera or running around humping the floor or busting out with Mirotic (side-eyeing you, SM Rookies, with your 16 year old Mark) or barely having clothes covering their bootys or chests.

So while I'm okay with 15 and 16 year olds debuting, but I definitely have concerns.

 

[litc]

but this is the most common and worse in kpop isn’t it?

Definitely disagree, there are so many singers in the West that debuted at 13 ...

In kpop the only ones I know are Boa, April Jinsol (April as a whole was all 17 and under at debut minus Somin who left and then debuted in KARD, she was just turned 19), Kep1er Yeseo when she debuted in Busters in 2019 (Kep1er is her third group, she debuted first in a kids group at 5, then in Busters, a group with a maknae concept (like NCT Dream, TRCNG) at 13, everyone in Busters debuted at 13 - 15), she has been a singer longer than anyone in Kep1er even debuting almost 5 years earlier than Yujin who debuted in CLC at 18 in 2015

Not to mention there are a TON of Western singers who debut at 14 and 15, whereas in kpop it's "rare" and every time criticized

Not to mention, since you mentioned Le Sserafim where the only minor is Eunchae who is already 16, there's way more Western singers that debuted at 16 and 17, it's the majority, whereas in kpop it's just the youngest, with 14 and 15 being rare, and 13 being practically nonexistent

Don't mention Baby Monster as a 13 year old debuting, bc YG has tried to debut Baby Monster since 2020, with a different lineup, who have all left the company now, she will be at least 14 when she debuts, she's turning 14 in february anyway

Western music industry has way more minors since 80s, 90s, at the least, I don't know much about before that, but the Beatles were also minors so I'm guessing yes it's been going on for decades

 

[tai]

all k-pop stan’s are hypocritical asl. they’re the first to point shit out but go radio silence when it doesn’t affect them negatively… it’s weird fr

 

[eclipsoul]

agreed, it is hypocritical but just as much as it is sad because if you look at it, for those who want to support new groups it is literally impossible to do so without stanning a group with minors in it because we reached the state where fully adult group barely even debut. i sure wish boycotting it the way orbits do with bbc could work but company power is largely at play here and if the nmixx album reached a fairly big amount of presales without literally any information about the group, big 3 could debut whoever they want however they want and they'll succeed thanks to the people who blindly support whatever they do. one thing i wish kpop stans would stop the fuck doing is assuming people saying minors shouldn't debut is an attack on the members. idgaf if those kids are talented i care that they are kids who may become exploited by grown adults in their company. same goes for those who say "this happens outside of kpop too" and "well, minors debuted before" because this "everything is bad anyway" attitude is what makes it impossible to have nuanced conversations in this subject.