Can Somebody Please Tell Me What "Organic Success" Is? (1 Viewer)

[potato]

Well there is Big Bang.

But Big Bang still went on many variety shows to promote and promoted at music shows, didn't they? If they didn't, then that really is admirable.

 

[Darkyoda47]

Maybe in kpop we can go for the groups coming from small companies? those companies who can't support too much advertising, fancy MVs or to cover scandals

But those groups don't ever gradually become famous. They blow up due to circumstance and luck, not hard work over the years, as sad as that is

 

[Darkyoda47]

But Big Bang still went on many variety shows to promote and promoted at music shows, didn't they? If they didn't, then that really is admirable.

Yeah omg they promoted the shit out of themselves, back in the day. There wasn't a variety show they weren't on.

 

[bulletproof]

But those groups don't ever gradually become famous. They blow up due to circumstance and luck, not hard work over the years, as sad as that is

there are a few examples who became popular gradually
And I'd honestly name BTS. They got their first prize with I need you, after many comebacks. Then they started to be a bit more popular with Dope, step by step with Fire and then Blood sweat and tears
They didn't have one hit to make them popular, I really think it was step by step

 

[Darkyoda47]

Yaaas another national hit for Yoda

 

[Darkseid]

Honestly, if you think about it, no success is "organic", since BTS had their company supporting them and training them.

I mean the industry itself is structured in a way that only lets their products thrive so yeah. Still, there are different companies with different degrees of influence, some BTS stans do overplay how "nugu" BigHit was , but for me you can still be organic if you go from a not so big agency to being a top group through whatever means- variety skills, visuals, music etc. It was the members' appeal that brought in fans, so I wouldn't consider it that inorganic really.

Organic success isn't just about music to me, it's the whole thing- how the agency implements its strategy, how the members get popular, and so on. It's only when groups get pre-debut stans because of their seniors or company that I find it "inorganic" but I don't have a problem with either.

 

[Darkyoda47]

there are a few examples who became popular gradually
And I'd honestly name BTS. They got their first prize with I need you, after many comebacks. Then they started to be a bit more popular with Dope, step by step with Fire and then Blood sweat and tears
They didn't have one hit to make them popular, I really think it was step by step

BTS debut in 2013, right? They had two albums chart in the year end gaon charts. One album sold 24K and the other 34K. Isn't that REALLY good for rookies? Omg in 2014 they had an album that sold 100K???? They were doing well since debut. How is that gradual?

 

[Darkseid]

there are a few examples who became popular gradually
And I'd honestly name BTS. They got their first prize with I need you, after many comebacks. Then they started to be a bit more popular with Dope, step by step with Fire and then Blood sweat and tears
They didn't have one hit to make them popular, I really think it was step by step

BTS is pretty organic by Kpop standards. I mean you're not gonna see indie artists get those international stans and YouTube views coz everyone is signed to an agency. If the agency does it's job well, I don't see what's inorganic about it.

 

[VillageIdiot]

If Cherry Bullet becomes successful, it'll be because of their predecessors and their company's connections.

Why the if

 

[bulletproof]

BTS debut in 2013, right? They had two albums chart in the year end gaon charts. One album sold 24K and the other 34K. Isn't that REALLY good for rookies? Omg in 2014 they had an album that sold 100K???? They were doing well since debut. How is that gradual?

Somehow, but they almost disbanded during N.O era, they used their managers' cars and their managers acted in Run and I need you because they didn't aford to hire someone else and well, BTS debut was in 2013, but before I need you they had lots of others title tracks, but no one got a win in any music show. It took them 2 years to get first win

 

[Mayday]

I mean the industry itself is structured in a way that only lets their products thrive so yeah. Still, there are different companies with different degrees of influence, some BTS stans do overplay how "nugu" BigHit was , but for me you can still be organic if you go from a not so big agency to being a top group through whatever means- variety skills, visuals, music etc. It was the members' appeal that brought in fans, so I wouldn't consider it that inorganic really.

Organic success isn't just about music to me, it's the whole thing- how the agency implements its strategy, how the members get popular, and so on. It's only when groups get pre-debut stans because of their seniors or company that I find it "inorganic" but I don't have a problem with either.

I honestly just don't understand the term tbh

 

[Darkseid]

I honestly just don't understand the term tbh

It's so overused it doesn't really mean anything rn tbh. Just a deprecating term.

It's just for me that if the members and agency are promoting themselves well like they're supposed to, that's organic enough for me. But that doesn't make it better than "inorganic" success.

 

[Darkyoda47]

Somehow, but they almost disbanded during N.O era, they used their managers' cars and their managers acted in Run and I need you because they didn't aford to hire someone else and well, BTS debut was in 2013, but before I need you they had lots of others title tracks, but no one got a win in any music show. It took them 2 years to get first win

Wow well that is sad considering it took GFriend two national hits before they could start selling like BTS did in their debut year. I mean album sales make way more money than digitals so maybe BTS were gonna disband for another reason? I highly doubt it was because of financial reasons.

 

[potato]

Yeah omg they promoted the shit out of themselves, back in the day. There wasn't a variety show they weren't on.

Pretty much proves my point XD

I've seen the word 'organic' so many times now, I'm tired of looking at word

 

[jasque]

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I did Marketing for 4 years in college and never came across this term
How does anyone get to a site without the help of Google :O

Qr code

In the only country that uses them: China

 

[Darkyoda47]

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[VillageIdiot]

Somehow, but they almost disbanded during N.O era, they used their managers' cars and their managers acted in Run and I need you because they didn't aford to hire someone else and well, BTS debut was in 2013, but before I need you they had lots of others title tracks, but no one got a win in any music show. It took them 2 years to get first win

I think BTS is more of a phenomenon than organic
No one will ever be able to do it like then
Especially when you consider their success in the west, which is most what people mean by "organic success"

 

[Poetry]

Success without using pesticides, antibiotics, or fertilizers.

Lame joke.

The definition for "organic" they are probably referring to is either the financial one or "characterized by continuous or natural development." Imo there's no natural development in kpop. Some of it is continuous but none of it is natural. Recently a group debuted where they were referred to little seeds who needed fans to provide them fertilizer to grow. Kpop is inorganic. Closest thing you can get to "organic" in the music business is an independent unsigned artist with no corporate sponsors and thereforea starving artist.

 

[RandAlThor]

I would think more traditional ie not social media or survival show driven.

MMM
gfriend
Apink
even big acts like say
Snsd
RV
WG
tara
kara
21 even though they seem to get a different subset that those above.

its not about how soon but the method. Did they appeal to just a core group or more of a natural music/tv expansion to general success.
bg i an not familiar enough with to really say but maybe.
infinite 2pm 2am botb

But a case can be made that social media driven is the new 'natural' way i guess.

 

[SiggyStan]

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